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    The real reason for the cuts has been in the press and on many other boards. It's cost overruns at Shanghai and losses at Disneyland Paris. The company's Parks division has to find cost savings to cope with these issues. Typical of most companies, all parts of a division have to help with the bottom line when one part of the division falters. This isn't a WDW management in their infinite wisdom type decision it's above them at corporate level. Learn the facts before you bash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiltonJohn View Post
    Another positive vote here for "Living with the Land".

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    I like the Land too - even have taken the behind the seeds tour. That said, even that ride could use some TLC. Disappointed they took the human element out of it but that aside, the films in the beginning are from the 1980's and really need updating badly. How hard would that be to do? Show us what's going on in the 2016 and beyond agriculture wise. Surely there has been advancements since the time when Duran Duran ruled the charts! Why not also incorporate some new growing methods as well during the ride?

    Finally, the fish tanks that have a single shrimp in them or a single eel where they used to be filled are kind of bad show in my opinion. Looking at huge Plexiglas tubes with one thing in them just isn't entertaining.

    Overall, still like the ride, but as with other things in Epcot, it really could use some love.
    And another vote for LwtL! It's one of my favorites!
    I do agree that I miss the human guides though, and they would often answer questions!
    I would love to see some updating to see what has changed in the realm of food growth and the movement to become more "clean eating".
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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Overall, still like the ride, but as with other things in Epcot, it really could use some love.
    Kinda like some people in this thread. They could really use some love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy1998 View Post
    The only problem I have with this statement, is that companies usually make decisions like these based on forecast, not what happened in the past. Quite frankly, just based on the complaints I have seen on this discussion board in the last few weeks, it would not surprise me if Disney is forecasting a horrible year for the Parks and Resorts division.
    Thing is though, it has nothing to do with any forecasts in attendance... it is because of what I posted last night... Cost over runs... Total mismanagement from every level...

    But like Wayne said, even it was forecasts, then it would be Disney management's fault for a sudden decrease in record attendance.... But, that isn't the case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    I like the Land too - even have taken the behind the seeds tour. That said, even that ride could use some TLC. Disappointed they took the human element out of it but that aside, the films in the beginning are from the 1980's and really need updating badly. How hard would that be to do? Show us what's going on in the 2016 and beyond agriculture wise. Surely there has been advancements since the time when Duran Duran ruled the charts! Why not also incorporate some new growing methods as well during the ride?

    Finally, the fish tanks that have a single shrimp in them or a single eel where they used to be filled are kind of bad show in my opinion. Looking at huge Plexiglas tubes with one thing in them just isn't entertaining.

    Overall, still like the ride, but as with other things in Epcot, it really could use some love.
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    You can't have it both ways...
    Lower Prices= more crowds
    Better Park amenities= more crowds.
    Only when attendance drops will we see "deals". This is with parks, dining, retail, and resorts.
    Expansion is the only winner I see for both sides which they are doing a lot of.
    Then we can complain it's too big or too much traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyDad View Post
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    Finally, the fish tanks that have a single shrimp in them or a single eel where they used to be filled are kind of bad show in my opinion. Looking at huge Plexiglas tubes with one thing in them just isn't entertaining.

    Overall, still like the ride, but as with other things in Epcot, it really could use some love.
    ...perhaps ...just maybe ....your "empty tank" & "empty tubes" experience was because you visited "Living With The Land" ......right before resort .....dinner time ...on 'seafood night' ....
    Actually, the single shrimp tanks are because those are freshwater shrimp and they are aggressive and will fight if there are more than one. But, would be nice to actually learn that on the ride (Oh my education?!?!) instead of riding past what appear to be empty tanks, so point taken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DizneyRox View Post
    Actually, the single shrimp tanks are because those are freshwater shrimp and they are aggressive and will fight if there are more than one. But, would be nice to actually learn that on the ride (Oh my education?!?!) instead of riding past what appear to be empty tanks, so point taken...
    That is one of those things that the live tour guides used to mention when they were doing the commentary on the boats instead of the pre-recorded commentary we have now. I enjoyed Living with the Land much more when they had the live tour guides on the boats. That is another cut back to save money that drives me nuts.

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    Maybe it would be better to put something else in there instead of the Shrimp then...
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    Interesting. I didn't remember that about the freshwater shrimp!
    They could really make it nice by adding some tropical fish possibly.

    A dumb question now. I've been going to WDW since 2000, basically monthly.
    But the song "Listen to the Land", I don't remember it. Was it associated with the attraction? Or the entire pavilion? I love that song!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terra View Post
    Interesting. I didn't remember that about the freshwater shrimp!
    They could really make it nice by adding some tropical fish possibly.

    A dumb question now. I've been going to WDW since 2000, basically monthly.
    But the song "Listen to the Land", I don't remember it. Was it associated with the attraction? Or the entire pavilion? I love that song!
    But you can't serve tropical fish for dinner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrerGnat View Post
    But you can't serve tropical fish for dinner...
    LOL true. I need to do the Behind the Seeds tour again. It's been about 13 years since I've done it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terra View Post
    A dumb question now. I've been going to WDW since 2000, basically monthly.
    But the song "Listen to the Land", I don't remember it. Was it associated with the attraction? Or the entire pavilion? I love that song!
    Listen to the Land was the original name of the boat ride and the theme song of that ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    Maybe it would be better to put something else in there instead of the Shrimp then...
    Just within the last 2-3 weeks they have put some very young tilapia in one of the tanks. It's a definite improvement over the single shrimp or eel that most guests rarely noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrerGnat View Post
    I haven't felt like returning to WDW for quite some time. And that is a new feeling for me. I'm willing to give them some time to work on the current projects and am hopeful that Epcot is next in line to receive some love. When they set out to completely overhaul a park, they have the ability to do amazing things. Here's hoping.
    This. Completely. We just spent a 4 full park days at Universal. It was an easy, great time. When planning our trip, my kids asked to spend one day at WDW, but I said no. And, I AM the huge Disney fan in our family. However, I knew it would be a wasted day because we had not planned months out with FPs and would spend most of the day standing in line. Also, even though it has been 6 years since we were last at WDW, there really isn't anything new to see (other than Mine Train ride at MK, but see my first statement about no FP and standing in line).

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    The change in the Mousegears hours is the only one I question. I suspect that will change as we get closer to summer travel season.

    I mentioned in a post I made in Theme Parks about the Flower and Garden festival that Disney management needs to strike up some new sponsorship deals. That’s why Flower and Garden has lesser name performing acts as well as performances and seminars only on weekends; they lost HGTV as a sponsor. Food and Wine has a lot more activities because that festival is sponsored by Chase.

    You can go back to the days of Walt Disney running the company and see how money from sponsorship was one of the things he used to keep the park updated. The business model for Epcot Future World relied heavily on sponsors for all pavilions. It isn’t as easy to find sponsors as it used to be, but it can be done. I read a great article earlier this year about possible companies that could sponsor Epcot pavilions. I didn’t agree with all of the suggestions, but some I thought were really good ideas. I especially liked the idea of Tesla becoming the sponsor of the Universe of Energy. Totally redo the ride so it doesn’t focus on fossil fuels (which made sense when ExxonMobil was the sponsor, but is very outdated thinking) and highlight all of the new energy sources being used around the world.

    I still enjoy my trips to WDW, but rides are not a primary focus for me or anyone in my family. We enjoy rides, but we like being able to do many of the other activities at Disney or just taking some time to relax and do absolutely nothing. A friend of mine just got back from her yearly trip to WDW with her son for his birthday. It also allows her to spend time with her son after her busy season at work (she is a merchandising manager at Macy’s). I was a little nervous as they stayed at Wilderness Lodge as they have every year and I know there is a lot of construction going on. She said they had a blast. She saw the construction, but took the view that these things have to happen at some point. There isn’t a time when no one would be inconvenienced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terra View Post
    LOL true. I need to do the Behind the Seeds tour again. It's been about 13 years since I've done it.
    I did it last month with my 7 & 10 year olds. We really enjoyed it. And yes we were told the same story about mean shrimp.
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    Disneyland Paris has been fighting for survival from day one because the then management team got over excited and built all the hotels before opening day rather than build up gradually. It's been the most visited theme park in Europe for years but still struggles. I visited HK Disneyland in September and it was almost empty (I took pictures at about 1pm looking both ways down main street and the only person in sight was the balloon seller.) Hong Kong generally has seen a huge drop in Chinese business because of the downturn (or lack of constant increase) in China. If China turns around an overspend on Shanghai probably won't be too big an issue but if the Chinese stop spending at home as well as away it will be mega bad news. We haven't been in a WDW park since 2014 so it will be interesting to see what it is like and whether we will notice the cuts. We did Disneyland last year and loved that. Mousegear opening does seem odd but maybe their stats show people are not buying early? I'm hearing positive things about Disney Springs now so I shall be interested to see that. I do recall a lot of dissatisfaction from folks while all the changes were happening. I think a lot of us may question how and where they do the cost cutting but it is certainly something that seems to be part of modern life in Disney and elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentC View Post
    And yes we were told the same story about mean shrimp.
    So Fresh Water Shrimp are not the best choice for fish farming, while Talapia are since they survive quite well in very over crowded conditions.
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    Ok, back to the thread - from the Inquisitr this morning...

    Domestic Disney Parks Reportedly Suffering Financial Issues Due To Shanghai Disneyland

    Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2801921/dom...XQwl6WlwdIh.99


    Shanghai Disneyland is currently scheduled to open in June of this year, and it will be the first mainland China Disney resort. Right now, the gigantic park is hoping for that opening, but some financial issues and delays may cause that to be pushed back a bit. Well, reports are now coming out that the amount of money being spent to build Shanghai Disneyland are causing financial issues at domestic parks, Walt Disney World and Disneyland.


    An unconfirmed report from WDWNT states that Shanghai Disneyland is so far over budget and behind schedule that money is most likely going to come from cost-cutting measures at the domestic theme parks.

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