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read an article in the Wahington Post that spurred this on.
Okay so who is the worst?
Based on fuetility, poor choices, fan support.
So here are my nominees:
Cleveland Browns: Clearly one of the perinial doormats of the NFL since their re-entry. Great hard luck fans who deserve much better. A regular coaching carousel. It truly sums up the fate of the franchise when you realize that the original Browns, once they moved to Baltimore won a Super Bowl quickly there after.
Los Angeles Clippers: Do I even have to explain this one? The odds on favorite to win this poll. In the history of the franchise they have never been legitimate contenders. How many years in a row did the Clippers miss on first round draft picks?
Detroit Lions: You would have to go back to the 60's to find a championship calibur Lions sqaud. In fact they perhaps only the Lions could feature the greatest running back in history during the 90's, and not win with him. Need we even mention last year? The first 0-16 team in history. Yet next week fans will watch them on Thanksgiving again, highlighting just how bad they are.
Milwaukee Brewers: While just about every other team in baseball has had at least some level of triumph, fans in Milwaukee have suffered through an awful dry spell. As a fan of this team myself it is painful to even type this. Only one AL championship in 1982 and only one playoff run since.
Arizona Cardinals: Okay I know they made the Super Bowl last year. But until proven otherwise...one hit wonder. Four, I repeat four playoff runs in the history of the team. If it had not been for last year, I think they would have been the favorite.
Atlanta Hawks: How is this team still there? Not since the days Dominique Williams and Spud Webb has this team been at all relavent. Their fans are easily among the worst fan bases in sports.
Golden State Warriors: How many casual sports fans even know this team exsists? If they do it is probably becuase they have heard of Chris Mullins, or knew that Chris Weber was traded from there. Forget about the old days of Rick Berry, This team traded away Robert Parrish! It has been more than 30 years since the Warriors flashed a ring.
Memphis Grizzlies: Basketball in Memphis? It should have been a marriage made in heaven. However the strong ties to the University of Memphis and the high ticket prices have led to an abundance of empty seats. The only thing that perhaps keeps the franchise in Memphis is the young talent, promising a bright future and the deep pockets of Fed Ex.
Chicago Blackhawks: While Bruins fans can sypathize with the Hawks plight, at least the Bruins played to somewhat full houses. The coutries third largest city, an original team, playing to an empty building for years. Last stanley Cup? 1961.
Kansas City Royals: Great fans, George Brett, Brett Saberhagen, good times. Then it began, the billion dollar baseball era of the have's and the have not's. The Royals have become the poster children for the have not's. Since 1995 there has been no team as dismal as the Royals even loosing more 100 games in three straight seasons.
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My choices aren't listed. Pittsbugh Pirates in the NL (I only follow NL) and Oakland Raiders in the NFL, only because of Davis. Don't follow Hockey or Basketball.
Jeff
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Again too many choices not listed- but I voted for detroit lions anyway.
Hockey- NY Islanders
I wouldn't call the raiders the worst- they have had a tough few decades. Now this year...
dont the cubs count- yeah they win sometimes, but aren't they like the jets- in the offseason, they are going to take it this year...
and if you call the clevland browns- do you mean the old browns (now baltimore ravens) or the new browns- the expansion team ? didn't their few years without a team kind of restart the franchise ?
also- not that I know all the history- but didn't the browns win the old championship before the AFL & NFL merger ?
here's to the fans of any team that has taken it on the chin for at least 10 years...
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Originally Posted by gueli
Hockey- NY Islanders
I'll agree with you there to a point, anyone crazy enough to hire Mike Milbury as a GM is an automatic qualifier. However, at least you guys aren't bankrupt like Phoenix and y'all are off to a decent start.
My choices BTW (By league):
MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
NBA: Memphis Grizzlies
NFL: Oakland Raiders/Cleveland Browns
NHL: Phoenix Coyotes
-Andy
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[QUOTE=sportsguy2315;1986441]I'll agree with you there to a point, anyone crazy enough to hire Mike Milbury as a GM is an automatic qualifier. However, at least you guys aren't bankrupt like Phoenix and y'all are off to a decent start.
My choices BTW (By league):
MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
NBA: Memphis Grizzlies
NFL: Oakland Raiders/Cleveland Browns
NHL: Phoenix Coyotes
The Pirates were my last cut. The Raiders have been relavent, this decade. I did not count the Blue Jackets or Coyotes because I think they are done.
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Originally Posted by Greenlawler
The Raiders have been relavent, this decade.
If that's your logic for this list, the Blackhawks have been relevant this decade, not only on the ice with their run to the Western Conference Finals last season but off the ice as well by finally spending the money they always had but Bill Wirtz would never touch to get such players as Marian Hossa and John Madden. Playing to "an empty building for years"? Again, not true my friend. While it is true that the Blackhawks were towards the bottom of the attendance for most of the decade, they led the NHL in both home and overall attendance last season while they lead in total home attendance again this season. If this list was put out circa 2006-07 I'd agree with you, but the Blackhawks are back.
-Andy
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Originally Posted by Greenlawler
The Raiders have been relavent, this decade.
Well, yea, they did lose a Super Bowl this decade, badly. But I mean come on, just for Al Davis alone they need to considered.
Jeff
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Originally Posted by sportsguy2315
I'll agree with you there to a point, anyone crazy enough to hire Mike Milbury as a GM is an automatic qualifier. However, at least you guys aren't bankrupt like Phoenix and y'all are off to a decent start...
good start. we didn't win a game the first 6 or 7. The reason the Islanders aren't bankrupt- Charles wang is minimizing the payroll so they ONLY lose 20 million a year !!! The owner has deep pockets & wants a new stadium.
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Sorry about 3 posts in a row, but... I should have read the entire thread before commenting.
As far as records go, Pagan, the fish won the superbowl when ? had the perfect season when ?
Thanks to many who have stuck up for the jets. Truth is, much like the beloved Cubs, the Jets are just too well liked, or hated. They have success where it counts (in the money coffers of the NFL) to be one of the worst. As stated above I do not consider the dolphins lack of winning the big game in 35 years to be the mark of the worst franchise tag, just like the Jets.
In looking at some of the lists - a couple of points-
Expansion teams (this includes the browns)
-Usually do not have great success within 15 to 20 years of their inception. There are too many factors against them. because of that, how can the New browns even count on the list, except for recent developments (Ok Ok since their recreation). Let alone the Texans- who are starting to put a team together (good O, pourus D) in the last 2 years.
The Lions longevity, plus their futility put them at the top of the "worst" list.
Tampa Bay, as an expansion team won how many games in its first 20 years ? and yet you rate them better than the raiders. The raiders have been to the big show, have won numerous playoff games, and have a tremendous (although fed up with their lack of moving foward these past few years) fan base.
If you are going to look at historic figures, you have to take into account ALL the stuff that has happened to the NFL since its inception (or the merger if you only want to go back that far). But a number of teams, including the Raiders, have had success, albiet in the past.
Perhaps to be included in the list you should have some parameters- you know what makes a bad team part of the worst.
Teams that have Never won the superbowl, or made it to a championship game. How many would that be ?
Teams that have fared poorly in attendance- over the past, say 10 years (or pick some other number).
and a winning percentage record (or loosing).
If you take these into account, than you can make arguments for many teams, and be able to rate them in something other than a subjective term.
Oh and lastly, while the jets may not be a great franchise, pagan, based on how much you lothe them, they must have had some success
Thanks all, Goodnight
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Originally Posted by gueli
Again too many choices not listed- but I voted for detroit lions anyway.
Hockey- NY Islanders
I wouldn't call the raiders the worst- they have had a tough few decades. Now this year...
dont the cubs count- yeah they win sometimes, but aren't they like the jets- in the offseason, they are going to take it this year...
and if you call the clevland browns- do you mean the old browns (now baltimore ravens) or the new browns- the expansion team ? didn't their few years without a team kind of restart the franchise ?
also- not that I know all the history- but didn't the browns win the old championship before the AFL & NFL merger ?
here's to the fans of any team that has taken it on the chin for at least 10 years...
I considered the new Browns not the old. I just could not rank the Islanders above some of these. How quickly do we forget the good times. At least the Isles had some.
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It's the Browns for me. Living in WV we are forced to watch their games every Sunday
Can't remember a season they won since....maybe the 80s
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The Toronto Maple Leafs aren't listed.
They are consistently absent from post season play. But yet the arena is always filled to capacity. They are the most expensive team to go and see play in the NHL but the worst performers.
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Originally Posted by CanadianWDWFan
The Toronto Maple Leafs aren't listed.
They are consistently absent from post season play. But yet the arena is always filled to capacity. They are the most expensive team to go and see play in the NHL but the worst performers.
The Leafs are a common find on list like this as are the Bruins, Blue Jackets, Predators, and Islanders, and Thrashers. However the Leafs do make a heck of allot of cash and the franchise seems to be wildly profitable. Yet again the Leafs would probably be on the second list.
I would argue against their inclusion based on their fan base. The Blue Jackets and Coyotes are already moving more than likely so I eliminated them. The Predators, well there is a whole lot of misconceptions about this franchise, but that maybe the homer in me. The Thrashers are in a horrid sports market, and the Isles well come on the late 70's early 80's were just too good.
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I had to vote for the Lions. Right now, I don't think they could fill a high school stadium. The Brewers are very frustrating, but the new management regime has been making good moves outside of pitching. They seem to err on the side of caution since the Suppan deal as far as pitching is concerned.
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I guess I'm partial, but I had to vote for the Detroit Lions.
Their last championship was in 1957. Since then, they've won one playoff game. Aside from Barry Sanders, the two best players they've had in my lifetime (46 years) have both been kickers (Eddie Murray and Jason Hanson). The Matt Millen fiasco was a disaster, and they haven't been able to lure a reputable head coach to Detroit in decades.
Unfortunately, enough fans still show up for their games and buy their merchandise that the ownership (William Clay Ford) doesn't seem to think he needs to make any major changes.
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Worst is such a subjective thing to determine. The Pirates are bad, but that has more to do with that team's ownership than the players. The Pirates ownership group is a reason why I want a salary minimum and for teams who receive revenue sharing to provide an account on how that money is spent.
For the NFL, I'll say the Buffalo Bills. Until Ralph Wilson opens up the wallet and signs highly touted draft choices and stops playing bargain basement bingo with his choice for coach, the Bills will be a mess.
NBA, I'll go with the Clippers. You are in a basketball rich area, so stop running your franchise like buffoons!
Not enough of a hockey fan to make an educated choice for the NHL.
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For NFL, I'd have to go with the new Cleveland Browns. For NBA, I'd have to go with the Clippers.
Most the other ones on the list have won a championship of some sort, or at least come close at some point. So based on actual franchise history, even if "ancient", that's my picks.
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Hate to say this, (well...no I don't, LOL) and I know gueli's gunna kill me, but why aren't the Jets one of the choices?
~ Haven't been to a Superbowl since 1969
~ Have only made the playoffs 10 times in the 40 years since.
~ Have finished above .500 only 16 times in their 49 years of existence.
~ Won/Loss record of 331-401, which means they could go undefeated for the next FOUR years straight and STILL have a losing all time record.
~ Have had only ONE coach (Bill Parcells) out of 16 with a winning record. (You can't count Al Groh, that was one season)
If that isn't futility, nothing is!
And gueli, before you even TRY to bring up the Dolphins...
~ Finished above .500 29 times in their 43 years
~ Were last in the superbowl in 1984
~ Have made the playoffs 22 times since 1969
~ Have a won/loss record of 380-272.
You can't win this one.
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~ Have only made the playoffs 10 times in the 40 years since.
Pagan I know you are baiting Gueli, but the above quote is all the explanation needed. A 25% playoff appearence record would be a dream come true for a number NFL fans. Thats six more playoff runs than the Cards, 9 more than the Lions, and 9 more than the current incarnation of the Browns. Over those same years the other three NFL tyeams on the list's win loss records make the Jets look like Lombardi's Packers. I think you actually made the case yourself against inclusion.
If I could have a redo I probably would pull Golden State and include the Maple Leafs, Bengals, or Pirates. I would love to include the Jaguars due to their horrible fan base but they have been pretty consistintly average, not horrible on the field.
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Originally Posted by Pagan
~ Haven't been to a Superbowl since 1969
~ Have only made the playoffs 10 times in the 40 years since.
~ Have finished above .500 only 16 times in their 49 years of existence.
Sorry Pagan, but your way off on this one. The other three teams listed in the poll combined are 14 playoff appearences and 21 seasons over .500 and 1 Super Bowl appearence... that's combined for 3 teams (granted the Browns have only been around for 10 years.) The Jets don't come close to those 3 and don't deserve to be compared to them.
But yea, they're probably in the next batch.
ETA: Greenlawler beat me to it.
Jeff
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