Avatarland Project

[Quadstriker]

Neytri, Jake Sully, Grace. Scouts honor I didn't look em up.

WE HAVE A WINNER.

First person ever.

You're missing out big time on HP though. I can't imagine better themeing anywhere.

[PopPhan]

Seeing as how the Avengers is setting up to be the biggest box office success of all time, me thinks this Avatarland is a baaaaad idea.

Although I understand what you are saying, and getting at, with this statement, Disney cannot put Avengers in ANY of the 'East of the Mississippi' parks, nor would it be a fit in Disney's Animal Kingdom.

The use of a film such as Avatar, which promotes conservation, caring for, and sharing the land - if you look past the "us vs. them" conflict, in Disney's Animal Kingdom, is a good, if not perfect, fit. To set up an area of the park to mimic the Pandora of the movie - the flora, fauna, and peoples, would work with the Mythical Beast part of the original DAK plan.

It may not be "Disney" per se, but how much of DAK really is?

[DizneyFreak2002]

Seeing as how the Avengers is setting up to be the biggest box office success of all time, me thinks this Avatarland is a baaaaad idea.

Well, you can always get your Marvel fix at Universal...

And there is no way Avengers will do another 1.6 billion in business... More blockbusters are coming out now.. MIB 3 will get this weekend's top draw... Avengers has now leveled off... I just don't see another 1.6 billion in business coming its way... Will settle in nicely at number 3, behind Titanic and Avatar... But in no way does it beat Avatar's success...

[Buttercup]

Well, you can always get your Marvel fix at Universal...

And there is no way Avengers will do another 1.6 billion in business... More blockbusters are coming out now.. MIB 3 will get this weekend's top draw... Avengers has now leveled off... I just don't see another 1.6 billion in business coming its way... Will settle in nicely at number 3, behind Titanic and Avatar... But in no way does it beat Avatar's success...

Um, I would be willing to bet if you add up the actual Avengers movie, plus the 4 prequels to it (Captain America, Thor, and both Iron Man movies, all which had cross-overs with the Avengers; Nick Fury et al) I would say it blows Avatar WAAAAY out of the water. There's more to "bank on" with the Avengers series than one single Avatar movie that only got the audience it did because it was the first major 3D production. Well, pretty much everything is 3D now so what are they gonna do to thrill audiences with the second and third Avatar movie? Cuz it sure ain't the story!
I can completely see the Avengers still beating Titanic and Avatar's box office earnings if you give it a little more time. It's only been in theatres for 3 weeks. They are already working on a second Avengers movie as well. I would also be willing to bet that you'll find oodles more fans that can name the Marvel characters than there are fans of Avatar.

With that being said, SOMEONE at Disney needs to renegotiate with Universal to get Marvel outta there and into the Disney parks!!!

I would rather go to boring old Camp Minnie Mickey than to some neon forest with weird blue creatures... what are they even called again? And oh yeah, a flight simulator ride... yeah that's innovative. At least Camp Minnie Mickey has memorable characters.

[Zawadi]

Worst thing is that I'm a die hard HP fan and still don't see any appeal to the HP universal park..I read all the books as they came out, same with movies, every one midnight premiers in full costume, I've still never had a ounce of desire to go...I don't know it just doesn't look that awesome at all..

After spending over 3hours going around the WBros studios (London) seeing the HP sets and props (Great Hall, Knight Bus, Hippograffe, Diagon Alley to name a few) I too feel that HP universal might be a let down. Still plan to go with an open mind though.

I also like the idea of Avatar being used in the AK. The theme in Avatar of respecting the land is a Disney theme - just see the Epcot's Circle of Life film and Living with the Land. In the words of Agent Smith (The Matrix part 1) "Humans are parasites they just take from the land and give nothing back"

[DizneyFreak2002]

Um, I would be willing to bet if you add up the actual Avengers movie, plus the 4 prequels to it (Captain America, Thor, and both Iron Man movies, all which had cross-overs with the Avengers; Nick Fury et al) I would say it blows Avatar WAAAAY out of the water. There's more to "bank on" with the Avengers series than one single Avatar movie that only got the audience it did because it was the first major 3D production. Well, pretty much everything is 3D now so what are they gonna do to thrill audiences with the second and third Avatar movie? Cuz it sure ain't the story!
I can completely see the Avengers still beating Titanic and Avatar's box office earnings if you give it a little more time. It's only been in theatres for 3 weeks. They are already working on a second Avengers movie as well. I would also be willing to bet that you'll find oodles more fans that can name the Marvel characters than there are fans of Avatar.

With that being said, SOMEONE at Disney needs to renegotiate with Universal to get Marvel outta there and into the Disney parks!!!

I would rather go to boring old Camp Minnie Mickey than to some neon forest with weird blue creatures... what are they even called again? And oh yeah, a flight simulator ride... yeah that's innovative. At least Camp Minnie Mickey has memorable characters.

1. Avengers is 1 movie right now.. get out of the franchise thinking... AVENGERS has done $1.1 billion in business, needs to do $1.6 billion more to reach Avatar's $2.7 billion... not going to happen...

2. Avatar has 2 more sequels coming out, and Cameron already said he is already thinking of more stories for a 4th...

3. The 3D excuse is tired... Been tried and is a failed reason why Avatar did so well... As I recall, Dark Knight, and the last Potter and many movies after that have come out in 3D and haven't come close to $2 billion in business... So, that argument is already a failure... Next...

4. Marvel characters have been around for how many years??? Again, another failed argument here... So, more people can name more characters from Star Wars (30-something year old franchise) and Marvel (50 plus year old characters) and Potter (over 10 year old franchise) than Avatar, a 3 or 4 year old movie... Congrats!!!!! Still proves absolutely nothing... Tell me a movie who has done $2.7 billion in business out of those franchises?? You can't...

5. Avengers has now been in the theater for 3 weeks is it??? MIB will more than likely top it this weekend, as should be expected... The competition for the summer movies will now start heating up and Avengers number will, as expected, decline more and more each week... MAYBE it will hit $2 billion if Japan carries it... other wise, it is going to rank 3rd... Not shabby, major success, but still, not topping Avatar...

6. Forget Marvel in WDW... not happening any time soon or any time in the near future... Universal holds all the cards... Anyone wants to meet an "Avenger" has to go to Universal... And they know that... They will not give up the rights any time soon, if at all...

7. Disney may want to renegotiate... But Universal only has to say, not interested and Disney must go back to their office, tail between their legs... Again, Universal holds all the cards in this... Disney is out of luck...

8. Please, tell me the flight simulator concept that has been created for Avatar.... Hmm, can't right??? BTW, Cameron said it would simulate flight, not necessarily be a flight simulator like you are thinking... More advanced that 80's tech Star Tours... And no, not soarin either...

9. All the people who are whining, I fully expect none of you online if this thing opens... Faster line for the rest of us who will go and enjoy the ride and land that will be created... But, we all know what will happen... Disney and Cameron create one heck of a themed land with a major e-ticket and the whiners will flock there in a hurry.. then use their online whining personality to complain, while holding that Na'vi plush cause it has a Disney tag on it...

[DizneyFreak2002]

After spending over 3hours going around the WBros studios (London) seeing the HP sets and props (Great Hall, Knight Bus, Hippograffe, Diagon Alley to name a few) I too feel that HP universal might be a let down. Still plan to go with an open mind though.

I also like the idea of Avatar being used in the AK. The theme in Avatar of respecting the land is a Disney theme - just see the Epcot's Circle of Life film and Living with the Land. In the words of Agent Smith (The Matrix part 1) "Humans are parasites they just take from the land and give nothing back"

I promise you, Wizarding World is not a let down...

[Aurora]

I get why people might not like the idea of Avatarland, but I don't get the level of negativity. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Twilight Zone and Aerosmith are not Disney properties, but they're in the parks. Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies were also quite violent, but I never see any comments that they shouldn't be at Disney.

James Cameron has directed a couple of the biggest blockbusters of all time; he must have some idea of what appeals to audiences. And I think the land has a lot of possibilities, both tying into the mythology of Animal Kingdom and in terms of attractions. I don't think there's a reason to worry yet. (If there's suddenly word that Cameron has decided to take a back seat in the plans, that's when we should worry.)

[stephicakes]

Just to put in my ... I think this is definitely Disney's way of appealing to the younger generation for sure. For some reason or another, Avatar is very appealing to tweens & teens alike. I know there have been previous threads about why this new generation doesn't see Disney for all its magic (i.e.: uses their imagination) the way that we all do, and I think Disney is trying different things to keep this generation interested, engaged and entertained. There is nothing worse than a teenager being dead-set on making everyone miserable because they are somewhere that they don't want to be - it's enough for any parent to say, "Alright! We'll just stay home!". If the kids are happy, then the parents will go and spend money. My DD is 16 and can't wait to check out Avatar in AK.

For better or worse, Avatar is another way of keeping the kids (parents) in the parks longer...

[DizneyFreak2002]

I get why people might not like the idea of Avatarland, but I don't get the level of negativity. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Twilight Zone and Aerosmith are not Disney properties, but they're in the parks. Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies were also quite violent, but I never see any comments that they shouldn't be at Disney.

James Cameron has directed a couple of the biggest blockbusters of all time; he must have some idea of what appeals to audiences. And I think the land has a lot of possibilities, both tying into the mythology of Animal Kingdom and in terms of attractions. I don't think there's a reason to worry yet. (If there's suddenly word that Cameron has decided to take a back seat in the plans, that's when we should worry.)

it isn't Cameron who I would worry about taking a back seat.. I'd worry more about the internal politics in the Disney Company derailing this before Cameron...

Cameron has his heart set on several Avatar movies.. We already know there will be a 2 and 3... he said he is already working on a 4th even though 2 and 3 haven't begun filming yet... Obviously this man has a world created in his head...

And since he is such a perfectionist (for better or for worse), I wouldn't expect anything short of spectacular for Avatar in DAK...

[Stu29573]

I still say White Castle vs Taj Mahal. It don't mean a thing if it aint got that zing! (or characters, or story....)

[Buttercup]

9. All the people who are whining, I fully expect none of you online if this thing opens... Faster line for the rest of us who will go and enjoy the ride and land that will be created... But, we all know what will happen... Disney and Cameron create one heck of a themed land with a major e-ticket and the whiners will flock there in a hurry.. then use their online whining personality to complain, while holding that Na'vi plush cause it has a Disney tag on it...

Boy, you've clearly spent a lot of time thinking about this stuff... even to number your list of reasons the rest of the world is wrong and you are so clearly right.
But please don't call us "whiners". Mmmkaythanks.

[dpamac]

Just for the record...The Avengers have been around since 1963 and have sold hundreds of millions of comics. They will never be in a Disney park for a variety of reasons, but if you want to talk about staying power beyond the movie I think those guys might have a shot.

[HackLaSalle]

I wouldn't say they will never be in a Disney Park ever. I think you'll see them in the Foreign parks and California... and then eventually when NBC runs out of money in Orlando

And hey I'm with the Freak. If you don't want to go to Avatarland please don't clog up the queue for me. I've never seen the movies but I'm always looking for something for to do in AK.

[MstngDrvnDsnyLvr]

Apples to Oranges = Harry Potter to Avatar

Apples to Oranges = Avengers to Avatar

Yes they are both fruit; both movies but they are NOT the same!

Avengers - if you take all the movies ever made up from the characters that comprise the Avengers - Thor, Iron Man (and they ARE filming the 3rd currently in NC), etc......they have out sold Avatar - but Avatar is an Alien Environmental Film with Neytiri the blue girl, Jake Sully the human turned blue girl, Grace played by Sigorney Weaver known for doing alien movies, and the CGIs.
Avengers are super heros - different genre, different group of watchers, readers, etc.

It is all Apples to Oranges Avatarland to Harry Potter Wizarding World...completely different concepts and completely different groups of "tourists" purposely planning trips to see. AND Disney will do a better job at accommodating "Pooh" sized people making it more rider friendly for more people than those powers that be at WB have done with HP.

So, APPLES TO ORANGES!! FRUIT TO FRUIT but different tastes. Just my humble opinion.

[DizneyFreak2002]

I wouldn't say they will never be in a Disney Park ever. I think you'll see them in the Foreign parks and California... and then eventually when NBC runs out of money in Orlando

And hey I'm with the Freak. If you don't want to go to Avatarland please don't clog up the queue for me. I've never seen the movies but I'm always looking for something for to do in AK.

Considering Comcast owns Univ ersal, NBC won't run out of money in Orlando... especially with Potter raking in the big bucks, with more Potter on the way... And Comcast just announced that they are investing $150 million a year for the next 5 years to Orlando... Marvel is not going anywhere...

But here is the thing Hack, they will whine and complain and claim they prefer a run down CMM or a pile of dirt, but we all know where they will be when (or if) Avatar opens... Right in line with everyone else...

[DizneyFreak2002]

Just for the record...The Avengers have been around since 1963 and have sold hundreds of millions of comics. They will never be in a Disney park for a variety of reasons, but if you want to talk about staying power beyond the movie I think those guys might have a shot.

You prove my point... Avengers have been around for 50 years in one form or another... Star Wars for 35 years in one form or another.. Avatar came out in 2009 so barely 3 years old... Trying to say NO ONE KNOWS THE AVATAR CHARACTERS BUT PEOPLE KNOW AVENGERS, STAR WARS.. Well again, congrats, people know two franchises embedded into pop culture... Let's see where Avatar is in 30 years....

[DizneyFreak2002]

Apples to Oranges = Harry Potter to Avatar

Apples to Oranges = Avengers to Avatar

Yes they are both fruit; both movies but they are NOT the same!

Avengers - if you take all the movies ever made up from the characters that comprise the Avengers - Thor, Iron Man (and they ARE filming the 3rd currently in NC), etc......they have out sold Avatar - but Avatar is an Alien Environmental Film with Neytiri the blue girl, Jake Sully the human turned blue girl, Grace played by Sigorney Weaver known for doing alien movies, and the CGIs.
Avengers are super heros - different genre, different group of watchers, readers, etc.

It is all Apples to Oranges Avatarland to Harry Potter Wizarding World...completely different concepts and completely different groups of "tourists" purposely planning trips to see. AND Disney will do a better job at accommodating "Pooh" sized people making it more rider friendly for more people than those powers that be at WB have done with HP.

So, APPLES TO ORANGES!! FRUIT TO FRUIT but different tastes. Just my humble opinion.

And if you take one Avatar movie and compare it to any one Marvel movie, Avatar has out performed them all... You cannot compare one movie to 5 or 6 and say HEY IT DIDN'T DO THEIR AVENGER BUSINESS, AVENGERS DID MORE... No, it didn't... Avatar did $2.7 billion, Avengers (without this weekend) $1.1 billion... Avatar still leads...

BTW, take this into consideration.. Avatar played on less screen than Avengers did, and still tops it by $1.6 billion... Now THAT is some crazy business...

[LandFan]

Hmmmm... Not so sure about this one...

[Stu29573]

And if you take one Avatar movie and compare it to any one Marvel movie, Avatar has out performed them all... You cannot compare one movie to 5 or 6 and say HEY IT DIDN'T DO THEIR AVENGER BUSINESS, AVENGERS DID MORE... No, it didn't... Avatar did $2.7 billion, Avengers (without this weekend) $1.1 billion... Avatar still leads...

BTW, take this into consideration.. Avatar played on less screen than Avengers did, and still tops it by $1.6 billion... Now THAT is some crazy business...

I think we've gotten a bit off point here. Who cares how much a movie has made? Is it a good fit for AK? In my opinion, no.