Brett Favre, ughhhh.....

[Pagan]

also pagan-
I never ment to imply that Chad threw lousy passes. I always remember tight spirals. The thing I am talking about is velocity. You know, it might have had more to do with the way the winds swirl at the meadowlands- any pass that is not thrown low & hard has a tendency to hang when the wind is blowing there. Yes, Chad Pennington can throw the ball deep- but when he does his passes tend to need more height because the velocity is not as strong as some of the other NFL QBS (Peyton Manning for instance). This might be more of a problem at the meadowlands because of the wind. And yes, he had worked hard at rehabbing the arm, especially to pick up more velocity in the off season. None the less - I hope he does well, he will always play his heart out for you.

Yea bro, his velocity has definitely improved. Just this past weekend in a brutally cold game in KC he was throwing on a rope again.

I guess we'll see what happens in his return to the Meadowlands this weekend huh?

Dolphins/Jets for the AFC East crown on the last day of the season.

Does it get any better?

[gueli]

Yeah it does not get any better...
But I hope the dolphins win this week, I much prefer the previosly 1 & 15 team going to the show...

[gueli]

Could this realy be it?
Could Jett Favre be done?
I mean brett favre...

Way to go Miami !!!

Long Hail The interception king of the NFL !!!

Happy New Year.
and to us jets fans, the torture is over , now we can dream about next year...

[Coach48]

Don't know what to say anymore.Same old Jets.Different cast,same result.I should have known better than to get excited too soon.At least Mangini got the ax today.He was as resposible as anyone and we all know you can't fire the players.

[gueli]

Ah philly fans -you always have to knock the Giants dont you?
Yes their running game can be phenominal- back in the early part of the season i seem to recall teams putting 8 guys in the box, and jacobs & the o-line still pounding it down their throats, and no one being able to stop them. So like it or not they are the team to beat. Eli has had a number of recievers who will not be with the team for this playoff run. Of course their passing attack is going to suffer.
The Giants coaching staff had a great game plan against the Patriots & it showed. When the pats beat them at the end of last year- so many of the players said that they had not shown the pats everything & it was true. But give credit where credit is due. No one player on the giants was by themselves so much more responsible for the victory than any one else. If the spectacular catches were not made, If the defense didnt hold, if the running game was solid, who do you give it to?
To call one person a fraud is a lot too much. You do not have to like him, nor do you have to like that he won the award. But he did. When you call someone who wins that award a fraud you are actually insulting more than him. I do not like that. He did not put himself up for the award. They (the NFL) are the ones who awarded it to him. Not you, not me. So are you calling the award a fraud, the people who gave it or everyone who has recieved it ?
Please be more careful with the words you choose ian.
If you said he didn't deserve the award, alright. But to call it a fraud... too much.

And yes if Philly wins this week will they get to play the giants again? Will it be more like the first game (giants win with Jacobs in the lineup- 8 men in the box and eli winning by passing) or will it be like the 2nd game- where the eagles deservidly won. Only time will tell.

[joanna71985]

I can't wait to see who will be playing the Giants.

[Ian]

To call one person a fraud is a lot too much. You do not have to like him, nor do you have to like that he won the award. But he did. When you call someone who wins that award a fraud you are actually insulting more than him. I do not like that.

I'm sorry you don't like it, but I stand by what I said.

Eli Manning did not deserve to be the Super Bowl MVP. He's mediocre. The NFL was salivating all over itself to hand him the trophy so they could get all the press involved with having brother QB's win the award in back-to-back seasons.

I'm not taking anything away from the Giants or their Super Bowl victory. They deserved to win it and I agree that, in the NFC, they're the team to beat this year.

But it irks me when people refer to Eli Manning as a "Super Bowl MVP quarterback", because it diminishes the accomplishments of the quarterbacks who came before him and truly earned that title.

[gueli]

Ian - you misunderstand me.
I am not upset that you believe that eli manning should not have been the mvp. I am upset with your wording specifically calling him a fraud.
perhaps I did not explain this well, but to me stating that "never has there been a bigger fraud of a Super Bowl MVP than Eli Manning" implies that Eli Manning is a fraud.
In what way? That he won the mvp? how did he commit the fraud?
If you had said something like I think its a Sham that they gave Eli Manning the MVP award- I have no problem with what you are saying, I might disagree (I might not), but to me use of the word fraud imples some implcit wrongdoing on eli's part. Was I misunderstanding and taking offense to something that you did not mean (That eli commited fraud)?
I have no problem with you having an opinion that disagrees with my own. I enjoy a well meaning discussion of differing opinions. Usually I listen fairly, and make up my own mind, and actually this post (Bret Favre) over the course of the season has turned me from believing that bret would help the Jets more than he would hurt them, to one where he has hurt them at the most inopertune times.

But one final Question Ian, in your opinion who deserved the Giants Superbowl MVP last season? obviosly you think eli did not.

Now from my perspective, I agree with Pagan- that up untill that clutch escape by eli, on that final drive he would not be the MVP.

Well anyway-

Happy New year one & all.


Go Jets. Because Win,loose Die or tie- I will keep rooting for them. (and I hate when they die).
Gueli