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Do you think Michael Vick will play in the NFL in the near future ?
Just been getting scraps of news concerning Michael Vick possibly making a comeback ...
As you guys are nearer closer to the news . Whats the mood and feeling on this ??...
Personally i hope not .... and i will hold my head in shame if the Raiders take him
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I hope al of the NFL reject his returning.
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yes
yes yes he will, no doubt about it
and he deserves a chance to play
before you go what is this guy talking about, first take the emotions for what he did out of the equasion for a second
1. he has paid his debt to society
2. he has talent
3. he can help an NFL team all be it peobally not as a full time QB
ok, back to the emotion, If Vick does not deserve a second chance, then why are guys like Leonard Little able to play in the NFL, he killed a person if you do not remember????
Now that I brought that back up, you see where Vick has paid his debt and he deserves a chance to provide for his family, they threw the book at Vick, no doubt, no other person in the US has ever been sent to federal prison for dog fighting, and you can't tell me that Vicks crew was the first to ever get busted
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Originally Posted by conwayjohn71
they threw the book at Vick, no doubt, no other person in the US has ever been sent to federal prison for dog fighting, and you can't tell me that Vicks crew was the first to ever get busted
Really? I have no idea, but is this really true?
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I hope not. (But he most likely will). You can't take the emotions out of the equation. This is what guides us in right or wrong.
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Originally Posted by conwayjohn71
...Vick has paid his debt and he deserves a chance to provide for his family, ...
Why can't he provide for his family doing something else, like construction? My father did.
Originally Posted by conwayjohn71
...they threw the book at Vick, no doubt, no other person in the US has ever been sent to federal prison for dog fighting, ...
I'm not sure, but I believe the reason it was a federal crime was because it had something to do with moving the dogs between different states, or something like that.
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What if it were a crime against a human? Attempted murder, rape- would it then be OK for a team to rehire him?
As someone who has helped to rescue and rehab a pitbull puppy who was on the streets and clearly abused, I hope with all my heart that no team takes him back. What they do to these dogs is beyond shameful. I'm not saying the man shouldn't get a job anywhere, but he doesn't deserve to be able to play in the NFL, in my opinion.
As for Leonard Little, he was drunk driving and speeding. He didn't go out that night and say "I'm going to murder someone." I also think that drunk driving is still a serious crime and I don't think I personally would've given him another chance, though. Just because there is precedent, doesn't make it right.
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In follow-up to my last post. Personally, I don't want to see him back in the NFL. I own a Pit mix and she is a sweetheart. She is always happy unless she is scared. I don't even want to think about his actions any more as it upsets me. The NFL has an interesting situation on its hands. I mean, he has done his time, but the choices the NFL makes will influence people like me either to be more disgusted with the league's direction or to try and give them another chance at watching it.
What do people think if Michael Vick gave his whole year's salary to animal protective organizations to prove he is reformed and free public service announcements in a very public way about how wrong he was? I MIGHT in that case want to give him another chance if he proved he was reformed and made a mistake and feels bad about it. What do others think?
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This is one of those tricky subjects. Some people will see this as he's paid his debt and deserves a second chance but others will see it as "well, Michael Vick commited a crime, went to jail, and still came out smelling like a rose". I feel that because he's someone who's highly in the public eye and a supposed to be a role model for our children that he shouldn't be able to play again but unfortunately it's all about the money and winning so I'm betting someone will at least invite him for a visit / training camp.
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I hate to say it we need to stop looking towards athletes as role models. Some can be but most are just nto role model material these days. They are greedy money hungry people who feel they can do whatever they want because of who they are.
As for Vick he will be back in NFL a team will be willing to take a chance on him for his talent.
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Originally Posted by JPL
I hate to say it we need to stop looking towards athletes as role models. Some can be but most are just nto role model material these days. They are greedy money hungry people who feel they can do whatever they want because of who they are.
Regardless of whether they SHOULD be role models, athletes always have been and always will be people that others, especially children, look up to. I still see plenty of kids wearing Atlanta Falcons/Michael Vick jerseys - and I think that's just a sad statement of the world today.
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I mean people are free to choose what to do. I am sick of the NFLs "we can do what we want" attitute both from the league as a whole and the players. I canceled my NFL Sunday ticket because I just have little interest in watching that stuff any more.
I guess Michael Vick paid his debt to society and it wouldn't be wrong to take him back. Acceptance is based on if people will tolerate it and generate money for the NFL or hurt the NFL. Just look at the slap on the wrist the Cheatriots got a few years ago. I mean you cheat to win and get rewarded. That really turned me off to the game. Adding Michael Vick back or not will be based on opinion polls and whatever is most financially beneficial to the league. It will not be about morals.
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Originally Posted by RAIDER
Just been getting scraps of news concerning Michael Vick possibly making a comeback ...
As you guys are nearer closer to the news . Whats the mood and feeling on this ??...
Personally i hope not .... and i will hold my head in shame if the Raiders take him
Really? If history shows us anything the Raiders are a likely destination. Lets see Raiders, Cowboys, or Ravens, all three franchises seem to be the forgiving types
Personally he paid his debt, case closed.
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Rhetoric2000, have you actually seen some of the dogs that were rescued from his house? What was done to them is pretty darn unforgivable in my book.
DonaldA, If he were to donate a large chunk of his salary to animal rescue causes, I would be much more inclined to support his return.
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Originally Posted by conwayjohn71
Now that I brought that back up, you see where Vick has paid his debt and he deserves a chance to provide for his family ...
He definitely has paid his debt to society, at least as far as the U.S. judicial system is concerned. I'd make the case that he really didn't based on the repugnant nature of his crimes, but it is what it is.
We live in a free market economic system. He is absolutely free to pursue a further career in the NFL. IF (and this is a big "if") he can find someone to employ him. Despite what some people might try to imply, he is not entitled to return to the NFL. He's just entitled to that opportunity.
Some owner out there will have to make the economic (and potentially moral) decision as to whether or not they want him on their team. That's what it's going to come down to. And, as others have already pointed out, there are about a million and a half criminals already playing in pro sports these days so anything is possible, I guess.
Personally, I'd have nothing to do with him. First off, I think people are forgetting ... he was mediocre at best as a quarterback. I can't imagine that two years away from the game has helped that any. Secondly, the outcry from the fan base, the PETA protests, the accompanying loss of team revenue, the public image hit ... No WAY it's worth it to bring in a sub-par player who's two or three years older than he was before when he wasn't that good.
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Originally Posted by Ian
He definitely has paid his debt to society, at least as far as the U.S. judicial system is concerned. I'd make the case that he really didn't based on the repugnant nature of his crimes, but it is what it is.
We live in a free market economic system. He is absolutely free to pursue a further career in the NFL. IF (and this is a big "if") he can find someone to employ him. Despite what some people might try to imply, he is not entitled to return to the NFL. He's just entitled to that opportunity.
Some owner out there will have to make the economic (and potentially moral) decision as to whether or not they want him on their team. That's what it's going to come down to. And, as others have already pointed out, there are about a million and a half criminals already playing in pro sports these days so anything is possible, I guess.
Personally, I'd have nothing to do with him. First off, I think people are forgetting ... he was mediocre at best as a quarterback. I can't imagine that two years away from the game has helped that any. Secondly, the outcry from the fan base, the PETA protests, the accompanying loss of team revenue, the public image hit ... No WAY it's worth it to bring in a sub-par player who's two or three years older than he was before when he wasn't that good.
For the record I have not figured out the whole partial quote yet so forgive me.
I come in peace but I do take issue with two statements "Micheal Vick was mediocre at best" and "sub par player."
He was a starting quaterback in the NFL! Their are hundreds of thousands of college studs who never got a sniff in the NFL. In addition to this even the most negative of critics would be hard pressed to label him sub par. I mean the guy single handidly led the Falcons to a win in Lambeau during the playoffs. Look I am not a Vick fan, at all. But give the guy his due, their are only 32 guys in the world who can say they start on the highest level possible.
I realize you probably meant to say he was an average starter and you may have more merit there, but still I never would rate him in the bottom half of the leagues starters while he was playing. Now with the wildcat formation taking hold. well it is custom made for Vick. He will sign with a team and be there number 2 starter. While I do not want him on my team, if he does have some in the tank he would certainly be an upgrade over 90% of the leagues clipboard holders.
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Originally Posted by Greenlawler
For the record I have not figured out the whole partial quote yet so forgive me.
I come in peace but I do take issue with two statements "Micheal Vick was mediocre at best" and "sub par player."
He was a starting quaterback in the NFL! Their are hundreds of thousands of college studs who never got a sniff in the NFL. In addition to this even the most negative of critics would be hard pressed to label him sub par. I mean the guy single handidly led the Falcons to a win in Lambeau during the playoffs. Look I am not a Vick fan, at all. But give the guy his due, their are only 32 guys in the world who can say they start on the highest level possible.
I realize you probably meant to say he was an average starter and you may have more merit there, but still I never would rate him in the bottom half of the leagues starters while he was playing. Now with the wildcat formation taking hold. well it is custom made for Vick. He will sign with a team and be there number 2 starter. While I do not want him on my team, if he does have some in the tank he would certainly be an upgrade over 90% of the leagues clipboard holders.
Okay ... I mean obviously yes ... he's got some level of talent to have played in the NFL.
But listen ... his last full season (2006) he ranked 20th in the NFL in passer rating (75.7), 22nd in passing yards (2,474), 31st in completion percentage (52.6%).
In terms of being a starting NFL quarterback ... i.e. being able to pass the ball ... he was the very definition of below average.
He could run back then and that made him (I guess) a little more valuable than just his stats, but even so ... very, very average.
My basic point was, he's not good enough (in my opinion) to bother with all the hassles he's going to cause you.
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Vick has signed a two year deal with the Philadelphia Eagles. It will get interesting since alot of Eagles fans are on here...
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