Disney tells salaried and non-union employees in the U.S. they must be vaccinated

[goofyskier]

Four words: It comes from China

Three words. Safe and effective.

Three more. Get the vaccine

[Cinderelley]

Three words. Safe and effective.

Three more. Get the vaccine

It isn't safe and effective for everyone.

[goofyskier]

It isn't safe and effective for everyone.

Nothing is safe and effective for everyone. Your argument is what then.....continue to build heard immunity which is less safe to more people?

Individuals can consult his or her physician who will more likely than not tell the patient they should get the safe and effective vaccine.

People should get the safe and effective vaccine if they want to end this pandemic.

[1DisneyNut]

Nothing is safe and effective for everyone. Your argument is what then.....continue to build heard immunity which is less safe to more people?

Individuals can consult his or her physician who will more likely than not tell the patient they should get the safe and effective vaccine.

People should get the safe and effective vaccine if they want to end this pandemic.

We get it already. You believe the vaccine is "safe and effective." lol You believe so because the media and the government told you so after the shortest FDA trials ever. Sure they have proven to be safe and mostly effective against severe disease so far which is a good thing. You can't blame so many people for being cautious or skeptical though because the media pushes slanted agendas all the time and misreport new constantly. The government.....well you have to take what they say with a grain of salt because it is all so polluted with political views and agendas on top of being full of incompetence.

Some just simply do not want the vaccine and are willing to ride the roughly 98.5% chance that they will be fine even if they do catch the virus. Besides that a new anti-viral medication has now been developed that can be administered to those who begin to develop more moderate or elevated symptoms.

We are past the point of the belligerent, constant the vaccine is "safe and effective and everyone must go get it" rants. Even the media is beginning to move on now because people just aren't interested in hearing about Covid anymore. The ship has basically sailed and people are getting on with their lives.

[TheVBs]

Some just simply do not want the vaccine and are willing to ride the roughly 98.5% chance that they will be fine even if they do catch the virus.

What's missing here is the reality that getting vaccinated is not just about protecting ourselves, it's about protecting other people too. It's about removing the option for a larger host community for the virus to mutate in. Now, there are people who genuinely don't have the option to get the vaccine, even if they want to. And there are people who are afraid to get the vaccine - and I'm going to acknowledge here that the media has not entirely helped this situation. However, one missing component of nearly every argument I've seen for people who don't want to get vaccinated, is the acknowledgement that it would help other people. There's always the ready acknowledgement that they themselves, the individual, are willing to take that risk. But never an acknowledgement that they might, or likely will, impact someone else's health or mortality. It wraps right back around to that statement on this forum that utterly shocked me. "Why would I care about protecting you? I don't even know your name." This is a serious deficit in our society. And while I liked and thanked PopPhan's comment about the reality of the original post not being impacted, I also do not see this as bickering. These conversations can be had respectfully and they need to be.

[1DisneyNut]

What's missing here is the reality that getting vaccinated is not just about protecting ourselves, it's about protecting other people too. It's about removing the option for a larger host community for the virus to mutate in. Now, there are people who genuinely don't have the option to get the vaccine, even if they want to. And there are people who are afraid to get the vaccine - and I'm going to acknowledge here that the media has not entirely helped this situation. However, one missing component of nearly every argument I've seen for people who don't want to get vaccinated, is the acknowledgement that it would help other people. There's always the ready acknowledgement that they themselves, the individual, are willing to take that risk. But never an acknowledgement that they might, or likely will, impact someone else's health or mortality. It wraps right back around to that statement on this forum that utterly shocked me. "Why would I care about protecting you? I don't even know your name." This is a serious deficit in our society. And while I liked and thanked PopPhan's comment about the reality of the original post not being impacted, I also do not see this as bickering. These conversations can be had respectfully and they need to be.

I understand your concerns and agree with you in many ways. One thing I also see missing is the fact that studies have shown that even those vaccinated are capable of spreading Covid, especially the Delta variant. If they are capable of spreading it, they are also capable of contributing to new variants. I guess the point is there is no 100% solution. People want Covid stopped dead in it's tracks and you will read people saying that as an argument for everyone getting vaccinated but reality is it can't be stopped dead in it's tracks. It is simply going to have to run it's course and the sooner we allow it to do so, the sooner this will all be over with. That is what we are doing now with masking mandates no longer in effect in much of the country along with other business restrictions being dropped and having ball games and concerts. We are now letting it run it's course.

I do not see this as bickering either. It is just a discussion with everyone stating their viewpoints. We will all learn from it and may see things from another angle.

[TheVBs]

I understand your concerns and agree with you in many ways. One thing I also see missing is the fact that studies have shown that even those vaccinated are capable of spreading Covid, especially the Delta variant. If they are capable of spreading it, they are also capable of contributing to new variants. I guess the point is there is no 100% solution. People want Covid stopped dead in it's tracks and you will read people saying that as an argument for everyone getting vaccinated but reality is it can't be stopped dead in it's tracks. It is simply going to have to run it's course and the sooner we allow it to do so, the sooner this will all be over with. That is what we are doing now with masking mandates no longer in effect in much of the country along with other business restrictions being dropped and having ball games and concerts. We are now letting it run it's course.

I do not see this as bickering either. It is just a discussion with everyone stating their viewpoints. We will all learn from it and may see things from another angle.

So I agree with you partially here, and this is one thing that always confuses me - we always knew that vaccinated people could still get it and spread it. This was never, ever new news. We have always had a strong suspicion that because of the type of virus it is, that it would likely always be around in some form like the flu and that we may need to have annual covid shots like we get annual flu shots. These aren't new pieces of information. There was never any statement from the scientific and medical specialists that this would ever be stopped dead in it's tracks. What that vaccine does do is immensely reduce the likelihood that if you get it that you will get seriously ill or die. It also greatly reduces the virus load you carry around, which - with masks - greatly reduces the likelihood that you will infect someone else. If the majority of a population is vaccinated it also removes the opportunity for the virus to become more virulent (fun fact - I can never properly pronounce that word). The vaccinated population also helps protect those who genuinely cannot get vaccinated. So, this is very much a situation where we set aside that it's not fun to wear a mask or gee we'd rather not get a shot and work towards protecting the population as a whole. We need to work together for the greater good. And I think the best suggestion I've heard is that anyone with doubts about the vaccine should talk to their doctor about it. Forget social media, forget news media, sit down face to face with your doctor and talk with them about it.

[Cinderelley]

Nothing is safe and effective for everyone. Your argument is what then.....continue to build heard immunity which is less safe to more people?

Individuals can consult his or her physician who will more likely than not tell the patient they should get the safe and effective vaccine.

People should get the safe and effective vaccine if they want to end this pandemic.

I was just reading an article about a week ago that said the effectiveness of the vaccine decreases at the 6 month mark.
1. The vaccine has been circulating for over a year now. This information should have been known 6 months after it started being administered.
A. Proper follow up was not being conducted for the studies or
B. The information was known, but they did not want the general public to know for some reason.
2. I do not know the exact percentage needed for herd immunity for this particular virus, but let's be conservative with this and use 80%. In order for this to work, the vaccine will need to be given to 80% of the world within 5 months (because not all people will have immunity last for 6 months. There is a lot of individual variation within the human race.) They cannot vaccinate 80% of the world within 5 months.
3. There have been a lot of vaccinated people running around thinking they are safe when their shot is really no longer effective.
4. I know a lot of healthcare professionals who are advising their patients not to get the shot.