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Hate the wand/hand.
Hate the hat.
Hate when they dress up the castle.
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Can we take the hat and put it on top of the Epcot ball.....sort of a party hat for the 25th anniversary???
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by big blue and hairy
Sure it is, look at a map of Disney-MGM, the hat is obviously in a hub too, so it's also not technically at the end of the street.
![Sulley Jump](images/smilies/sulley.gif)
I was referencing MK. Yes, the hat is in the hub of MGM. If you can call it a hub.
I don't mind the hat, I'd like to see it in the Animation Courtyard where it'd fit better. Then the sightlines of Hollywood Blvd wouldn't be messed up. If it has to do with the theater, plant some trees to block it.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by EmcDuckRN
Also remember that the Icons are there to fulfill the place of "Weenie" to draw people down into the park rather than have them all bottle up at the entrance. They all fulfill their roles nicely.
I agree with EmcDuckRN. Was the hat a marketing/park design solution? Yes. Is it that bad? Personally it was my least favorite but I don't hate it.
Like someone said previously, all you ever heard about SSE from the "unexperienced visitors" was "That's the park with the golf ball right?" So many people didn't get the earth representation part of SSE, so I'm guessing the wand did not bother those people at all. I am not looking forward to hearing people talk about the golf ball again.
That being said, the hat has always bothered me because
a) there is no attraction in it, and
b) when you take pictures from the entrance of the park you sometimes end up "wearing" a big hat!
But I do think it fits with the concept of Disney movie magic, because of it being the Sorcerer's hat and MGM has always featured Sorcerer Mickey over other Mickey roles.
Just my 2cents....
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by automation85
Are you suggesting that the water tower was not good enough? I thought the whole point of MGM was to focus on everything Disney from a movie production point of view. The back lot, the animation studios...
The Earful Tower, when decorated was nice, but never quite made iconic status. It just wasn't easily viewed from most parts of the park and the only time you could get near it was on the Backstage trolly. To be iconic, the symbol has to be more prominently placed than that and have more impact on your day in the park.
To me it always seemed that MGM was rushed into reality to be out there to compete with Universal which was considered a big threat at the time.
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i think the hat adds a sort of charm to the park. as with every other park the hat is the symbol that makes it disney. For example MK has Cinderella Castle, Epcot has SSE( which im not happy that there taking the wand down), AK has the Tree of Life, so its only fitting that MGM has a symbol which happens to be the sorceror hat. for all those people who think it doesnt really belong in front of the Chinese theater why not? The sorcer hat was in a movie and that movie is featured in the Great Move Ride. Not everything has to be exactly like the real thing otherwise people would go there instead of Disney. The hat gives MGM that "Disney Magic" and i think that the spot is very fitting!
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Move the hat! It would make an excellent road cone...... I want to walk in the gates and see the theatre!!! There must be someone else it can go....
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by DisneyPrincess17
\ for all those people who think it doesnt really belong in front of the Chinese theater why not? The sorcer hat was in a movie and that movie is featured in the Great Move Ride. Not everything has to be exactly like the real thing otherwise people would go there instead of Disney. The hat gives MGM that "Disney Magic" and i think that the spot is very fitting!
The sorcerer's hat doesn't belong in its current location because it absolutely smothers the entrance to The Great Movie Ride. Not only does it obscure the view of the Mann's replica, it crowds it to the point where the entire theming is lost. When you look down the main entrance of the park, you can still see pieces of TGMR poking out from behind the Hat. It's like a small child who can't see SpectroMagic because some big oaf decided to plop down in front of them. The addition of the Hat/pin station caused a conflict in theming, because of the proximity to the existing structure behind it. Sight lines became skewed, an enormous shadow (both figuratively and literally) was cast on TGMR, and the entire theme of the Hollywood-that-never-was became disjointed.
When Disney/MGM Studios was rushed to opening, one of the few things that were worthy of praise was the entrance design/theme. This is why you find long-time fans of the park's design (any park for that matter) unhappy with the disruption that was caused by a poor decision to erect the hat/wand/birthday cake.
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I hated the big Epcot wand and hope it will be gone by mid September.
I didn't like the hat at first but now don't care either way. It really should be moved somewhere else though.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Gator
Maybe we "wand activists" tend to think that there is a literal giant hand guiding earth. The wand represents what we all want to believe.
As for the Hat not fitting in, use the same logic and ask yourself when was the last time you saw a European castle at the end of a 19th century main street? It's not about logic, it's about Disney.
I never thought a giant hand guided the world...I thought the world was held up by some giant named Atlas. Where did I go wrong?
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After reading some more comments, I still think the hat needs to move, but I now agree with the statement that the Studios needed an icon like the other parks, which all have theirs as the central view.
However, and I know many fans will disagree with this statement, I don't think the sorcerer's hat, which appeared for less than 20 minutes in one film (or two, if you include the 2000 version), should be the icon of a movie studio theme park. I love the idea of the sorcerer's hat as much as the next person, but it's more of a Disney symbol than a movie symbol. The obvious response to this statement is that it's a Disney park, so it should have a Disney movie symbol, but if you look at the other parks, the Tree of Life has nothing to do with Disney (aside from the inside), SSE has nothing to do with Disney, and, although MK has Cinderella Castle, this was modeled after Disneyland, whose original castle was not themed after anything Disney, just the idea of fantasy, in general.
To me, using the hat as the symbol of the Studios is the equivalent of using Pride Rock as the symbol of AK and the Robinsons' house as the symbol of Epcot. I apologize for opening up a whole new argument here, and I have nothing against those who disagree with my opinion, which could be considered a completely asinine statement to some, but that's just my two cents.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by DrumTastik
the entire theme of the Hollywood-that-never-was became disjointed.
Weeeeellllllll.....there never was a giant sorcerer's hat in Hollywood....![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin2.gif)
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Gator
For all you folks out there who really loved the wand on SSE, stay vigilent. The same people who whined the wand into oblivion won't stop there. The Hat at DS is next. We must fight against those who wish to turn WDW into a boring old folks home.
So who's with me? Keep WDW looking Disney! ![Mickey](images/smilies/mickey.gif)
If they took the stupid hat down, then MGM would look like Disney again.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Gator
. . . The same people who whined the wand into oblivion won't stop there. The Hat at DS is next . . .
1) Workers (I mean guests) of the world unite!
2) Rebel. Rebel. Rebel.
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5) Let's get rid of the
. . . hat at MGM, or move it to another site
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. . . long campaign cycle for presidential elections
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by cubbie
However, and I know many fans will disagree with this statement, I don't think the sorcerer's hat, which appeared for less than 20 minutes in one film (or two, if you include the 2000 version), should be the icon of a movie studio theme park. I love the idea of the sorcerer's hat as much as the next person, but it's more of a Disney symbol than a movie symbol. The obvious response to this statement is that it's a Disney park, so it should have a Disney movie symbol, but if you look at the other parks, the Tree of Life has nothing to do with Disney (aside from the inside), SSE has nothing to do with Disney, and, although MK has Cinderella Castle, this was modeled after Disneyland, whose original castle was not themed after anything Disney, just the idea of fantasy, in general.
First, there is no other movie more associated with Mickey Mouse and Disney than that short segment as the sorcerer's apprentice. It is the pinnacle of the Walt/Mickey association.
Second, the Tree of Life does have a Disney connection. Pop in the Lion King DVD in your player and see if you see anything familiar.
The main point of the Disney theme parks is to bring movies to reality. My kids want to see Mickey, and Nemo, and Donald, and Simba. The wand and the hat represent this drive.
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I was actually glad to see the wand go! I don't know, it just ruined the look of SE. I do however love the hat! I was there on CM night when they opened it before the guest could see it! And I don't think Disney should get rid of it.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Gator
First, there is no other movie more associated with Mickey Mouse and Disney than that short segment as the sorcerer's apprentice. It is the pinnacle of the Walt/Mickey association.
Second, the Tree of Life does have a Disney connection. Pop in the Lion King DVD in your player and see if you see anything familiar.
The main point of the Disney theme parks is to bring movies to reality. My kids want to see Mickey, and Nemo, and Donald, and Simba. The wand and the hat represent this drive.
And to add to this, the castle at DLR is Snow White's castle, so it IS from something Disney.
My argument with the wand, is that EPCOT was not supposed to be about Disney movies, TV, cartoons, etc. It was a vision of the future and the societies that make up the world. Not Nemo or any of the other Disney characters. So Mickey's hand with wand was ill placed.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by big blue and hairy
Yeah, but as has been said before, when was the last time you walked down the street in small town America and saw a huge Castle at the end of the street? I'm pretty sure that's never, too.
The reason I don't lend this argument any credence is simple ... Magic Kingdom is the theme park of fantasy. In a fantasy world, a castle at the end of Main Street USA is a possibility at least (not to mention that it's not on Main Street proper and is technically in it's own section of the park).
The Studios is one park themed entirely around the concept of Hollywood and a working movie studio, ergo, a big dumb hat is out of place no matter where it is.
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