Off Kilter

TheVBs;2436829 wrote: Really sorry to hear people are not finding this show entertaining. I was hoping it would be fun to watch. I try to avoid watching videos at home though. We'll stop by next time were there and see what it's like.

I asked this in the thread about Epcot's change in entertainment, but thought I'd try again here. What would be a good replacement show? What do people think would be something entertaining that would do a good job of representing Canadian culture? I'm especially interested in hearing from our Canadian members.

You really should watch the video. I guarantee if you waste even five minutes of your park time watching this show in person you will be VERY upset.

BrerGnat;2436860 wrote: You really should watch the video. I guarantee if you waste even five minutes of your park time watching this show in person you will be VERY upset.

OK, I had to go watch it after I read this. You made me laugh!

And, yes, awful. I have to admit I didn't make it through the whole thing. I started to doze off about 2 minutes in. Tried jumping ahead to different spots and it didn't get any better.

TheVBs;2436878 wrote: OK, I had to go watch it after I read this. You made me laugh!

And, yes, awful. I have to admit I didn't make it through the whole thing. I started to doze off about 2 minutes in. Tried jumping ahead to different spots and it didn't get any better.

LOL! I couldn't watch it all the way through either. I jumped ahead several times. It is so, so bad.

Perhaps I now know why there's a 25 min wait for Imagination today - people are taking any option to avoid this show!

Steve

Melanie;2436827 wrote: Oh my goodness, I'm through about 5 minutes of this, and all I can say is WHO CARES? This is like watching grass grow for me. And I'm upset that they are using the Mill Stage as it was for Off Kilter for this. :(

Terrible. Just terrible. I'm glad I watched at home (well, kind of), so I won't waste time at the park.

Five minutes Mel? I couldn't get through 2 minutes...

Remember when I said they continue to dumb WDW down? Welcome to Walmart Disney World!!!! All in the name of saving a buck...

DizneyFreak2002;2436885 wrote: Five minutes Mel? I couldn't get through 2 minutes...

Remember when I said they continue to dumb WDW down? Welcome to Walmart Disney World!!!! All in the name of saving a buck...

Can't agree with that. If it was about saving a dollar they would have simply gotten rid of the acts and not have announced they are replacing them. The cost difference will be very minimal in a budget like Disney's. Yes, using the penny pinching is always a ready argument looking good on the face of it. But as we who have studied stats can tell you face validity is not the same as actual validity.

It is about trying to freshen the park. Off Kilter has been around for nearly twenty years and yes still popular with its fan base. It didn't take much observation to realize that it's draw was less and the vast majority were just walking by. Same can be said for the other acts.

First, attempts may not work but they'll get eyes just from curiosity and at least it's something new. I hope they start a new policy of changing acts regularly do there are new things to see. That would keep the park from getting stale.

Polynesian Dweller;2436899 wrote: Can't agree with that. If it was about saving a dollar they would have simply gotten rid of the acts and not have announced they are replacing them. The cost difference will be very minimal in a budget like Disney's. Yes, using the penny pinching is always a ready argument looking good on the face of it. But as we who have studied stats can tell you face validity is not the same as actual validity.

It is about trying to freshen the park. Off Kilter has been around for nearly twenty years and yes still popular with its fan base. It didn't take much observation to realize that it's draw was less and the vast majority were just walking by. Same can be said for the other acts.

First, attempts may not work but they'll get eyes just from curiosity and at least it's something new. I hope they start a new policy of changing acts regularly do there are new things to see. That would keep the park from getting stale.

Wrong... There were budget cuts to entertainment... Off Kilter was Equity... Equity acts are paid more... This new group isn't Equity... They are being paid less... This move isn't about freshening up the parks... This move was budget driven... No matter what kind of spin marketing tries to put on things..

Polynesian Dweller;2436899 wrote: Can't agree with that. If it was about saving a dollar they would have simply gotten rid of the acts and not have announced they are replacing them. The cost difference will be very minimal in a budget like Disney's. Yes, using the penny pinching is always a ready argument looking good on the face of it. But as we who have studied stats can tell you face validity is not the same as actual validity.

It is about trying to freshen the park. Off Kilter has been around for nearly twenty years and yes still popular with its fan base. It didn't take much observation to realize that it's draw was less and the vast majority were just walking by. Same can be said for the other acts.

First, attempts may not work but they'll get eyes just from curiosity and at least it's something new. I hope they start a new policy of changing acts regularly do there are new things to see. That would keep the park from getting stale.

Well said.
Personally wasn't a fan of off-kilter. Not really into the music thing in general. They sounded good don't get me wrong. Just like the England band. But I just listen as I pass by.
Hopefully they'll find a good act to replace them.

Now for France! I never did care for the balancing chair guy.

Terra;2436912 wrote: Well said.

Personally wasn't a fan of off-kilter. Not really into the music thing in general. They sounded good don't get me wrong. Just like the England band. But I just listen as I pass by.

Hopefully they'll find a good act to replace them.

Now for France! I never did care for the balancing chair guy.

So what do you like around WS?? Not Canada, France or England. So no music? That negates the Voices of Liberty, the Taiko in Japan, and the mariachi in Mexico. Like WS Players? They are gone too.

DizneyFreak2002;2436901 wrote: Wrong... There were budget cuts to entertainment... Off Kilter was Equity... Equity acts are paid more... This new group isn't Equity... They are being paid less... This move isn't about freshening up the parks... This move was budget driven... No matter what kind of spin marketing tries to put on things..

Well, I guess we'll disagree. I still think you cut them altogether if it's only about budget cuts. Replacing a large portion of a budget and thus reducing the savings is not a very good argument at the budget table for the action. And, the entertainment budget within the context of the entire park budget isn't exactly large and the savings become even less impressive with replacements adding back in cost.

Melanie;2436918 wrote: So what do you like around WS?? Not Canada, France or England. So no music? That negates the Voices of Liberty, the Taiko in Japan, and the mariachi in Mexico. Like WS Players? They are gone too.

I don't think I clarified my post enough. Sorry about that. I didn't say that I think they should do away with all that. Of course not! I was stating my personal preference.
I'm not much into the 'singing music'. But I actually love Japan's drumming and the Mariachi!!

Just stating my own opinion on what I like/don't like. No one will every like everything, together at once.
Now if I *was* looking at replacing acts with similar styles, I would maybe look into a show that chronicles the musical aspect of the land from the beginning until current, play a little from each era maybe?

Terra;2436942 wrote: I don't think I clarified my post enough. Sorry about that. I didn't say that I think they should do away with all that. Of course not! I was stating my personal preference.
I'm not much into the 'singing music'. But I actually love Japan's drumming and the Mariachi!!

Just stating my own opinion on what I like/don't like. No one will every like everything, together at once.
Now if I *was* looking at replacing acts with similar styles, I would maybe look into a show that chronicles the musical aspect of the land from the beginning until current, play a little from each era maybe?

I agree with you on the singing music. I find ALL of it, at EVERY park to be distracting. I hate those street shows at DHS too. Vocal stuff like that in a theme park really has a jarring effect on the atmosphere, IMO.

I can handle MUSIC just fine. I would be happy to listen to culturally diverse music around WS. Just no singing/vocal acts.

I have no issue with vocal musical acts if they are located indoors as a stage show, and you don't have to hear it if you don't want to.

BrerGnat;2436944 wrote:
I can handle MUSIC just fine. I would be happy to listen to culturally diverse music around WS. Just no singing/vocal acts.

I have no issue with vocal musical acts if they are located indoors as a stage show, and you don't have to hear it if you don't want to.

I agree one hundred percent. (Though I love the street performers at DHS!)

Mickey'sGirl;2436945 wrote: I agree one hundred percent. (Though I love the street performers at DHS!)

I guess I was thinking mostly of that traveling band at DHS. Mulch, Sweat, and Shears? Or something like that? SO loud and always bothered my ears.

After reading everything, I just had to watch. WOW...what happened to polished? The reason I go to Disney World time and time again is because I know what I am getting. I get the magic, the pomp and circumstance, the feeling of being entertained non stop..whether I am in a show or in a line. This...seriously...looks like they threw a bunch of guys on stage and said "be lumberjacks!". Maybe if they rehearsed it a few hundred more times, but it just seems second rate...Like something a smaller amusement park would throw together...a carnival show...I think competitive lumberjacks COULD be entertaining...not as much as OFF KILTER...but could have possibilities...but not in this form...come on Disney! Get it together!!