POTC changes

How about using the Ratatouile technology, and make an Aladdin ride? Or maybe a trip, following multiple areas (Brave, Tangled, etc). THink Star Tours type trip, but instead randomly hit 2 different Disney movie areas..

Cinderelley;2503867 wrote: Monsters Inc Coaster from the door scene!

Oh I so love this idea. I have been saying since the movie came out that they need a ride like that!

How would a Monster's Inc tie-in for any attraction fit in Adventureland?

It wouldn't, but I'm not convinced that Disney really cares about that any more.

It's hard to see a classic change, but I have to add my own "WOW!" at some of the ugly comments here.

This is a great opportunity to share a favorite quote from a favorite author:

"I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

—Neil Gaiman

While I absolutely cannot entertain the idea of POTC going away, I would love to see a Tangled dark ride. :-)

TheVBs;2504003 wrote: It's hard to see a classic change, but I have to add my own "WOW!" at some of the ugly comments here.

This is a great opportunity to share a favorite quote from a favorite author:

"I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

—Neil Gaiman

And whenever I hear, "We wants the redhead," it makes me smile.

Look, and I mean this to everyone, A) this is just assuming the ride should go away, and what should replace it? b). Don't care what the scene is, the ride is perfect as is minus the existence of FP+. Well, actually it was perfect 20 years ago. I can live w/ the changes of the past to bring us as is, but now, I'm suggesting, as many are, that the ride has lost its mind (for whatever reason, PC, crazy person in charge, the magic 8 ball told them to do it, whatever).
c) So, we can stop w/ the why we think it should stay, and the others giving "enlightened" nonsense.

What should replace it?

Tangled sounds good.

As I type this, lets close it Mods. This is shot to ....

Saw a neat idea on twitter the other day. If the scene auctioning women off to pirates has to go away, what if it's just slightly altered? The auctioneer is trying to convince all the pirates that they should choose HIM to be their new captain. But, the redhead is now a pirate, sporting a sword and boots, maybe still showing a bit of *gasp* ankle, and the pirates yell WE WANTS THE REDHEAD! (not to force her to be their slave, but to be their captain!) I kind of like this because it's still the auctioneer convincing the crowd, they still can yell about their beloved redhead, but nobody is being sold into slavery.

I'm not quite ready to bulldoze the entire attraction if they decide to change it. After seeing that scene thousands of times since I was a kid, I feel like I never really thought about what actually was happening in that scene. Basically, I just felt like "Oh look the pirates think the redhead is hot" and left it at that. But when you really think about that scene, it is actually kind-of disturbing. Especially if you Put it in the context of rape and slavery. So I sort of see this from both sides. I'm as Disney-purist as you can get, but meh, maybe there's a compromise here with something equally visually stunning. As I say, I don't think it's time to plough it under and set up a Monsters Inc Coaster just yet. :blush:

These drunken pirates singing a catchy, jolly tune aren't meant to be hated as "bad men doing bad things". They're supposed to be loveable scamps with funny faces and slurred speech, wearing a stack of hats or sitting in the mud with some pigs. Real pirates are way scarier, if you're going to be historically accurate. So again, maybe there is a sort-of compromise to make both sides of this content?

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Texas211. If you'd like to know what ride I'd love to see in MK, and more specifically Adventureland, I wish they'd make some room for a Jungle Book dark ride!

Buttercup;2504022 wrote: Saw a neat idea on twitter the other day. If the scene auctioning women off to pirates has to go away, what if it's just slightly altered? The auctioneer is trying to convince all the pirates that they should choose HIM to be their new captain. But, the redhead is now a pirate, sporting a sword and boots, maybe still showing a bit of *gasp* ankle, and the pirates yell WE WANTS THE REDHEAD! (not to force her to be their slave, but to be their captain!) I kind of like this because it's still the auctioneer convincing the crowd, they still can yell about their beloved redhead, but nobody is being sold into slavery.

I'm not quite ready to bulldoze the entire attraction if they decide to change it. After seeing that scene thousands of times since I was a kid, I feel like I never really thought about what actually was happening in that scene. Basically, I just felt like "Oh look the pirates think the redhead is hot" and left it at that. But when you really think about that scene, it is actually kind-of disturbing. Especially if you Put it in the context of rape and slavery. So I sort of see this from both sides. I'm as Disney-purist as you can get, but meh, maybe there's a compromise here with something equally visually stunning. As I say, I don't think it's time to plough it under and set up a Monsters Inc Coaster just yet. :blush:

These drunken pirates singing a catchy, jolly tune aren't meant to be hated as "bad men doing bad things". They're supposed to be loveable scamps with funny faces and slurred speech, wearing a stack of hats or sitting in the mud with some pigs. Real pirates are way scarier, if you're going to be historically accurate. So again, maybe there is a sort-of compromise to make both sides of this content?

Anyway, sorry to hijack your thread Texas211. If you'd like to know what ride I'd love to see in MK, and more specifically Adventureland, I wish they'd make some room for a Jungle Book dark ride!

I appreciate your idea. My view is, the whole idea of a pirates (killers, arsonists, rapists, etc) is by its very nature counter to the idea of (well if we fix the redhead scene its okay). So either leave it, or bulldoze. But your idea is the best alternative idea i've heard.

That being said, love the Jungle Book idea. The new live action film is our favorite re-imagined live action Disney film. Way better than Cinderella or Beauty.

texas211;2504010 wrote: And whenever I hear, "We wants the redhead," it makes me smile.

It makes me smile too! The whole ride makes me smile. :mickey:

texas211;2504010 wrote: c) So, we can stop w/ the why we think it should stay, and the others giving "enlightened" nonsense.

I promise not to drift from the topic from here on out, especially now that my enlightenment quota has been fulfilled for this week. ;) Next week.... it's fair game again! LOL! Kidding. ;) Probably.

texas211;2504010 wrote:
Tangled sounds good.

I don't know why, but it's that tavern scene and song that I can just so easily see being part of a dark ride. Not that there aren't other, more amazing elements they could include, but that scene would be a must for me. It would fit nicely space-wise in POTC as well. I think.

The only thing that should ever replace POTC should be an exact carbon copy of POTC, identical to the point that it basically is the original ride.

TheVBs;2504063 wrote:

I don't know why, but it's that tavern scene and song that I can just so easily see being part of a dark ride. Not that there aren't other, more amazing elements they could include, but that scene would be a must for me. It would fit nicely space-wise in POTC as well. I think.

We want the blondes! J/k

That would fit, could be some really cool visual scenes, and much longer than the Frozen boat ride.

I'd like a Moana ride.. end facing off against the island gods.. Be awesome.

Yesterday I attended the 50 years of pirates panel at the D23 expo. The panel featured Imagineers who worked on all the Pirates attractions at every Disney park, from the original to the new Shanghai Disneyland pirate attraction. Imagineers there were Marty Sklar, Orlando Ferrante, Tony Baxter, Kim Irvine (whose mom worked for Imagineering on the original Pirates) Irvine works on changes and updates currently. Also, Luc Mayrand, and Nancy Seruto who created the new reimagined Pirates in Shanghai were on the panel.

Having been to the new Shanghai Disneyland it was interesting to hear the details about all the work and technology that went into that attraction. Though even with that, they looked for ways to stay true to the original Pirates. Before they opened the Shanghai Pirates they had a water ceremony, where they had brought bottles of water from all the Pirate attractions around the world and added the water to Shanghai Pirates to have a connection to the others.

One of the interesting comments that Marty Skylar made was that Walt Disney always like to tinker and change things. Anytime a new idea came up, or a thought I could make something better, he was always wanting to alter and change things. Marty said every attraction at the parks has been changed at some point, usually during long refurbs. This process this was mentioned by other Imaginaires as well. Marty said it's a natural process that happens at the Disney parks, and has been happening since Walt Disney's time, so he had no issues with the changes. His comments got a huge round of applause from the audience.

2Epcot;2504365 wrote:
Before they opened the Shanghai Pirates they had a water ceremony, where they had brought bottles of water from all the Pirate attractions around the world and added the water to Shanghai Pirates to have a connection to the others.
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That is pretty cool.

As for tinkering. There is tinkering and changing. There is changing the texture in the presentations of D in disney.. But you always see it in that funny script? The castle is still blue. Epcot is still silver.
Some staples are always needed. That's brand loyalty. Radical changes, then you have to become a slave to that, and keep up the wow factor.

We'll see how it goes. This, along w/ other changes, I think gives us as a family an opportunity to explore other vacation opportunities.

I saw someone said D23 is possibly releasing a Moana attraction? That could fit well in Adventureland. I do miss having rides released for the sake of having them, and not having a film tie in.. But, those are days long since passed. I need to go back in time..

sicemdawgs;2503695 wrote: I'm looking forward to the update in 2019 where transgender pirates sit in a circle in their safe place and discuss implementation of the single-payer health care system they saw on Rachel Maddow.

Wow, what a sad testiment in this thread to some mind sets.
Unless you've worked with a transgender child who has been disowned and/or forced to undergo "conversion" therapy, or have known someone in the gay community who has attempted suicide, and one friend who sadly succeeded. Unless you've worked with real victims of human trafficking [raises hand as I've done and or known all of the above],
Then I guess it's easy to whine and cry about it.

Guess I'm the 2% whiner who does not believe in fake news.
I do however believe in human diginity.
As much as I love POTC a couple of those scenes do need to change with the times.

Mendelson;2503698 wrote: It's a fascinating phenomenon that we accept as normal the social mores that exist in the world that we are born into. We then are generally okay with the evolution of social norms until up through sometime maybe in our teens. But boy once we hit about 25 or 30, any further evolution becomes ridiculous.

Times and attitudes change, folks. And if you don't change - and maybe you don't want to - you're eventually going to be just as cringey as my loving and well-meaning grandfather when he uses words for African Americans, homosexuals, and people from the mid-east that I'm guessing (hoping) none of us would use in mixed company.

We rarely are able to see ourselves become that dinosaur.

Yes!! Many who don't like these changes should possibly live in those times. It's easy with all the progress we've made to say "oh those people whining about safe places and such..."
When they are afforded those rights themselves.
We've come so far, yet have so much farther to go.
I've lost too many friends and family because of archaic ideas.

WDW-Geek;2503720 wrote: Next thing you know the Disney Inking and Painting Department will be hiring women animators.

Imagine the horror, and then they'll be wanting to vote and own stuff too.

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