Why so negative?

People love to complain and be negative. Social media made it easy for them to complain. My opinion life is way to short for that ****.

RunDMV;2513534 wrote: It allows them the pack more people in the park by artificially spreading people out.

I don't think that's the case. It does indeed spread people out, but once people are in the park, regardless of where they are, that doesn't increase revenue. The only thing that increases revenue is getting more people into the park in the first place, and FP+ isn't responsible for that. It's strictly for crowd management. For example, if the Magic Kingdom can hold 120K people, it doesn't necessarily matter how they are grouped or spread out. 120K is a 120K, regardless of whether or not they're all trying to ride Peter Pan at the same time or not. The fire code max occupancy for a park is not affected one whit by WDW using FP+. And occupancy is what increases revenue. So, the Fantasyland expansion allowed WDW to increase that max occupancy, which translated to more revenue. THAT I understood. New attractions that people want to experience (like the Frozen ride), drives increases in revenue. But FP+? It just spreads you out when you come, and makes it frustrating to plan.

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in those development meetings.

azcavalier;2514067 wrote: I don't think that's the case. It does indeed spread people out, but once people are in the park, regardless of where they are, that doesn't increase revenue. The only thing that increases revenue is getting more people into the park in the first place, and FP+ isn't responsible for that. It's strictly for crowd management. For example, if the Magic Kingdom can hold 120K people, it doesn't necessarily matter how they are grouped or spread out. 120K is a 120K, regardless of whether or not they're all trying to ride Peter Pan at the same time or not. The fire code max occupancy for a park is not affected one whit by WDW using FP+. And occupancy is what increases revenue. So, the Fantasyland expansion allowed WDW to increase that max occupancy, which translated to more revenue. THAT I understood. New attractions that people want to experience (like the Frozen ride), drives increases in revenue. But FP+? It just spreads you out when you come, and makes it frustrating to plan.

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in those development meetings.

I think its a perspective thing. Firecode is firecode. But if you spread the peas around the plate, they might think there are fewer peas. That could have attraction to park goers, duration of trip or duration of day, traffic management around stores/eateries. Maximize spending.

I think just tweaking the fastpass plus system would make people so much happier. Get rid of the ability to get fastpasses in advance (although I can see Disney using this as a money maker - offering it as a perk for staying on site). Change it to be more like Disneyland. Once you arrive in the park, you can make your fastpasses on the phone. Using my phone was infinitely more convenient than running from kiosk to kiosk.

Cinderelley;2514110 wrote: I think just tweaking the fastpass plus system would make people so much happier. Get rid of the ability to get fastpasses in advance (although I can see Disney using this as a money maker - offering it as a perk for staying on site). Change it to be more like Disneyland. Once you arrive in the park, you can make your fastpasses on the phone. Using my phone was infinitely more convenient than running from kiosk to kiosk.

This. The advance scheduling of FP is only for Disney's benefit. Doing this eliminates a lot of people's main legacy FP main complaint- running across the park to get FPs.

azcavalier;2514067 wrote: I don't think that's the case. It does indeed spread people out, but once people are in the park, regardless of where they are, that doesn't increase revenue. The only thing that increases revenue is getting more people into the park in the first place, and FP+ isn't responsible for that. It's strictly for crowd management. For example, if the Magic Kingdom can hold 120K people, it doesn't necessarily matter how they are grouped or spread out. 120K is a 120K, regardless of whether or not they're all trying to ride Peter Pan at the same time or not. The fire code max occupancy for a park is not affected one whit by WDW using FP+. And occupancy is what increases revenue. So, the Fantasyland expansion allowed WDW to increase that max occupancy, which translated to more revenue. THAT I understood. New attractions that people want to experience (like the Frozen ride), drives increases in revenue. But FP+? It just spreads you out when you come, and makes it frustrating to plan.

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall in those development meetings.

You would be assuming that max capacity is reached every day.

RunDMV;2514258 wrote: You would be assuming that max capacity is reached every day.

No, I'm just assuming that way to increase revenue is by bringing more people in to the parks, and the FP+ system doesn't accomplish that. And while I agree that it spreads people around more, I think that the idea that this makes people spend more money in stores along way is not provable, and is not the reason for the system.

If you were in one of their meetings, and someone asked the question, "how can we make people spend more money in the shops?", the answer is not going to be, "Let's revamp the FastPass system and make them plan their rides 60 days in advance! That'll drive up revenue in The Emporium and Sir Mickey's!"

I totally agree that I want to smack the PR people who tried to sell it as allowing for "more spontaneity", when it really does the opposite.

PopPhan;2513358 wrote: Sure!! Send your name address and a blank check and we can get a case (or two) sent out to you!!!

Might be able to get case lot discounts at Chocolate World!!

And maybe some of the new "Hershey's Gold" bars as well!!! :rotfl:

https://www.hersheysstore.com/HERSHEYS-Milk-Chocolate-w-Almonds-Standard-Bar-36-ct/p/HSY-002412&c=Hersheys@ByBrand@Hersheys

Did you ever make that chocolate connection?

I may be a minority of one but I actually have come to believe that FP+ reduces the stress. We will be arriving in 12 days and, at the 60 day mark, my FP's were set. I know which parks I'll be in on which days and I don't have to worry about rushing to get the FP's I want once I enter the parks. Yes, at the 60 day mark, I was on my computer at 7 a.m. trying to get all the FP's I wanted and, in the days prior, I had to plan out those FP's and plan out which parks/which days but now? I can check in, catch a bus and know where I'll be at what time. In between FP's, I can eat, ride other rides, etc. But I'm stress free.

BetsyELG;2515015 wrote: I may be a minority of one but I actually have come to believe that FP+ reduces the stress. We will be arriving in 12 days and, at the 60 day mark, my FP's were set. I know which parks I'll be in on which days and I don't have to worry about rushing to get the FP's I want once I enter the parks. Yes, at the 60 day mark, I was on my computer at 7 a.m. trying to get all the FP's I wanted and, in the days prior, I had to plan out those FP's and plan out which parks/which days but now? I can check in, catch a bus and know where I'll be at what time. In between FP's, I can eat, ride other rides, etc. But I'm stress free.

Welcome to Intercot! We don't mind FP+ but would prefer if we could chose closer. As we get older (the kids too) we find we want some more flexibility in our Disney Days. If it's something new and a definite must do then we will show up. Otherwise we generally don't mind missing our FP+ if we are doing something else in another park or land. Generally we've been pleased with our ability to change, edit and add FP+ while onsite.

:welcome:

azcavalier;2513366 wrote: "Now here we find ourselves with the FP+ system where you have to plan almost every detail months in advance. .

Have you all of your restroom visits planned? I don't recall if those require a fp or not.

baldburke;2515020 wrote: Welcome to Intercot! We don't mind FP+ but would prefer if we could chose closer. As we get older (the kids too) we find we want some more flexibility in our Disney Days. If it's something new and a definite must do then we will show up. Otherwise we generally don't mind missing our FP+ if we are doing something else in another park or land. Generally we've been pleased with our ability to change, edit and add FP+ while onsite.

:welcome:

Amen!

texas211;2515052 wrote: Have you all of your restroom visits planned? I don't recall if those require a fp or not.

Oh, I ran across a bunch of magic kingdom maps and snagged them for you to use.

Cinderelley;2515055 wrote: Oh, I ran across a bunch of magic kingdom maps and snagged them for you to use.

When you got to go, you got to go. I'd rather use hollywood studios maps

baldburke;2514529 wrote: Did you ever make that chocolate connection?

I was able to see them on the site and could order them, if I thought I would be able to give them to Anna & Elsa. Since a number of people told me that the characters could not take food items, I begged off.

Haven't been over to Chocolate World to see if they have them in the store there.

texas211;2515083 wrote: When you got to go, you got to go. I'd rather use hollywood studios maps

*looks at her Hollywood studio map* Since when was the Death Star brown?

I'll meet you at the Rainbow Bridge.