Disney tells salaried and non-union employees in the U.S. they must be vaccinated

goofyskier;2532137 wrote: With regards to ventilators...there was a major scale up in manufacturing anticipating a long term need for ventilators. This demand started just after Covid hit and continues to this day. You are not reading about it because we now have the capacity to manufacture them at the level needed meaning manufacturing is not a problem.

With regards to make-shift hospital space....Idaho is currently housing individuals in classrooms due to a lack of space. Florida up until a few weeks ago was exploring the same.

I am not sure how either of these fit into the discussion at hand other than it shows Covid is still a problem worldwide and Companies are right in mandating vaccines to help end this pandemic.

Do you mean they are housing patients in classrooms? I really hope you don't mean that, because that is complete medical malpractice. If a hospital cannot handle a patient load, they are to transfer the patients to another hospital, NOT put them in a classroom.

The news about ventilators and makeshift hospitals was a lot of hype. As a country, we never reached the crisis that the media was going on about.

Cinderelley;2532147 wrote:

The news about ventilators and makeshift hospitals was a lot of hype. As a country, we never reached the crisis that the media was going on about.

Exactly. We are nowhere even close to a crisis now either but the media sure does play it up. My position on this past year and a half is this....If a disease like Covid 19 with such a low death rate put our healthcare system in the crisis that the media portrays, we will be in big trouble if a real crisis ever comes along. If our hospitals had truly been overloaded, we need to take a real hard look at how to be prepared for a real crisis and how hospitals should handle them.

The first step would be to stop allowing people to use the Emergency rooms as their personal doctor. The Emergency rooms have been overloaded for one reason and one reason only. It is because the media has the people that will listen to them, terrified that if they caught covid they will die in a few days so they run to the emergency room every time they feel simply tired. The other thing they should not have done is admit everyone that walks through the door and tests positive for covid. Unless they are in respiratory distress, send them home to rest. There......I just solved most of the problems with the load on our hospitals. lol

Gotta love that University of Facebook. :rolleyes:

1DisneyNut;2532151 wrote: Exactly. We are nowhere even close to a crisis now either but the media sure does play it up. My position on this past year and a half is this....If a disease like Covid 19 with such a low death rate put our healthcare system in the crisis that the media portrays, we will be in big trouble if a real crisis ever comes along. If our hospitals had truly been overloaded, we need to take a real hard look at how to be prepared for a real crisis and how hospitals should handle them.

The first step would be to stop allowing people to use the Emergency rooms as their personal doctor. The Emergency rooms have been overloaded for one reason and one reason only. It is because the media has the people that will listen to them, terrified that if they caught covid they will die in a few days so they run to the emergency room every time they feel simply tired. The other thing they should not have done is admit everyone that walks through the door and tests positive for covid. Unless they are in respiratory distress, send them home to rest. There......I just solved most of the problems with the load on our hospitals. lol

You left out the part that vaccines are a safe and effective way to help prevent the spread of Covid and that those individuals going to hospitals would have one less worry if they are vaccinated. Look at that….I just helped end the pandemic.

goofyskier;2532155 wrote: You left out the part that vaccines are a safe and effective way to help prevent the spread of Covid and that those individuals going to hospitals would have one less worry if they are vaccinated. Look at that….I just helped end the pandemic.

If you get get the virus, vaxed or not, then what is the point of the shot? I realize if you get a flu shot, you can still get the flu. But how many people do you know that get the MMR shot and come down with with measles, mumps or rubella? I'm vaxed, but this is America buddy and you've got freedom of choice here. The media and the Biden administration are way overhyping this virus. I know someone who died of COVID in the last month, but I've also had five other friends or acquaintances die of no-COVID cause over the course of the summer. If you want to live your life in a bubble then be my guest, but life is too short for me not to live a fearless life.

baldburke;2532156 wrote: If you get get the virus, vaxed or not, then what is the point of the shot? I realize if you get a flu shot, you can still get the flu. But how many people do you know that get the MMR shot and come down with with measles, mumps or rubella? I'm vaxed, but this is America buddy and you've got freedom of choice here. The media and the Biden administration are way overhyping this virus. I know someone who died of COVID in the last month, but I've also had five other friends or acquaintances die of no-COVID cause over the course of the summer. If you want to live your life in a bubble then be my guest, but life is too short for me not to live a fearless life.

So if I understand you correctly you are saying that the only thing the vaccine does is vastly lowers the risk of you from dying from Covid but you can still get Covid. Seems like a good reason to get the vaccine to me. You know....since not dying is better than dying.

Again...again...again...the vaccine is a safe and effective way to help prevent the spread of Covid and individuals that are able to get it should get it as soon as possible.

azcavalier;2532116 wrote: This is exhausting, and I've been called to the carpet here for posting things less inflammatory than this. It's largely why I don't really frequent Intercot anymore.

If anyone is interested in engaging in a discussion on why COVID vaccines are safe, the government isn't trying to ruin your life, and that government and businesses not only can mandate vaccines but have a *responsibility* to do so, then feel free to DM me. Or shoot me an email at azcavalier@gmail.com.

Ditto! Over the past year+ I've largely avoided this site as well. The horrible things people were posting that were simply allowed to stand blew me away. I was definitely called out on the carpet once or twice for even coming close to something sounding political. Clearly that rule is out the window now.

baldburke;2532156 wrote: If you get get the virus, vaxed or not, then what is the point of the shot? I realize if you get a flu shot, you can still get the flu. But how many people do you know that get the MMR shot and come down with with measles, mumps or rubella?

I can't help myself.

That's akin to asking, "Why wear seatbelts if I can still die while wearing one?" Because it is protective, but not 100% preventative. It can't keep the virus from entering your body, but it makes it a LOT harder to get sick, and even harder to get "I need to go to the hospital" sick.

I mean, birth control isn't 100% effective. Does that mean that someone who doesn't want to get pregnant shouldn't even bother?

You get vaccinated to help build up protection for yourself and society. To make it harder for the virus to continue to find a safe haven with which to mutate into something even worse. Yes, people certainly should be free to choose for themselves whether or not to get the vaccine. HOWEVER, with choices come consequences, and you must also accept those consequences. In this case, that could mean unemployment, a change in lifestyle (not being allowed to attend certain events, travel, etc), and even hospitalization and death. Freedom allows you to make the choice, but it does not allow you to change the consequences of that choice.

And, yes, in many places the hospitals are in crisis. My wife is a surgeon. She's not an ER doc, but she is on-call every 3rd night to deal with anything surgical. Ruptured appendix, trauma, etc. The hospital here is full of COVID patients. The surrounding hospitals are as well. The problem with this is that COVID patients don't exactly "turn over" very quickly....they stay in the hospital for weeks as compared to a lot of other types of hospitalization which usually requires just a few days. So, now, if I have a heart attack and have to go to the ER, and the hospital is full, they'll try to transfer me somewhere else. But the hospitals in the next closest town are also full (my wife also works there), so they'll look farther-afield. They might have to transport me to Richmond, Charlotte, or who knows how far. I know that she has had hospitals that are 6 hours away calling her trying to get their patients transferred here because they have no room. They are starting to cancel what they call "non-emergent" surgeries because they have no place to put them for recovery. Guess what is considered "non-emergent"? Cancer. Yep. You got a tumor in your liver or breast? Sorry, we can't operate on you because Joe "Fox News" Jones thinks that the government wants to track him so they've concocted this elaborate hoax just to put a microchip in his bloodstream and now he has COVID and is slowly suffocating upstairs.

And we actually have a 60% vaccination rate. 95% of the COVID patients in our hospital are unvaccinated. I can only imagine what it's like in our surrounding states which are far worse off...West Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee, etc.

goofyskier;2532157 wrote: So if I understand you correctly you are saying that the only thing the vaccine does is vastly lowers the risk of you from dying from Covid but you can still get Covid. Seems like a good reason to get the vaccine to me. You know....since not dying is better than dying.

Again...again...again...the vaccine is a safe and effective way to help prevent the spread of Covid and individuals that are able to get it should get it as soon as possible.

Get the vax, don't get it...whatever! It should be an individual's choice, not a government mandate. NY State is slated to loose over 100k healthcare workers this week because of the mandate. People that were called heroes a year ago are now reviled by the right? It makes no sense! These mandates certainly won't help our US unemployment rate and Joe Biden can't take any more bad news!

azcavalier;2532181 wrote: I can't help myself.

I figured you couldn't! None of us are immortal, you are correct. Your TDS is showing.

baldburke;2532185 wrote: Get the vax, don't get it...whatever! It should be an individual's choice, not a government mandate. NY State is slated to loose over 100k healthcare workers this week because of the mandate. People that were called heroes a year ago are now reviled by the right? It makes no sense! These mandates certainly won't help our US unemployment rate and Joe Biden can't take any more bad news!

I am not seeing where this is not a choice? You can choose to take the safe and effective vaccine to help stop the spread of Covid and end this pandemic or you can chose to not get it and as a result deal with the consequences. Those consequences may be minor or non-excistant depending on where you live. Or....they can result in job loss or death. But you still have a choice.

I cannot stress enough that every person eligible should get this vaccine as soon as possible to help end this pandemic. Debates the merits of our States and Federal Government being able to mandate a vaccine after. This vaccine is proven safe and effective. Get is done.

A horrible precedent has been set. This won't end now with just the vaccine. Other things will be "required" for employment.

MrPeetrie;2532191 wrote: A horrible precedent has been set. This won't end now with just the vaccine. Other things will be "required" for employment.

The first vaccine mandate was in 1809 for smallpox. Two Supreme Court rulings have affirmed that safe and effective vaccines can be mandated. These rulings came in 1905 and 1922. It’s considered settled law.

The vaccine is safe and effective. It will help prevent the spread and end this pandemic. Appointments and walk in vaccinations are available at most pharmacies in the United States today and for the foreseeable future. Even better….they are free. You may even get a sticker like I did.

The post that made me walk away from this site for over a year: "Why should I care about protecting you. I don't even know your name." Not that I hadn't been seeing bad posts before that. But seeing a comment like that stand on this site - I honestly thought, "Where AM I?" It was truly sad.

baldburke;2532186 wrote: Your TDS is showing.

I honestly don't know what that means.