IT Workers at Walt Disney World

As I said earlier in the thread, this is a common practice at many companies, not just Disney. I read the article and it makes it sound like Disney invented this practice. I know of H-1B workers being used by Disney for almost 3 years, as one of the H-1 workers who worked for me decided he hated the cold and asked to be transferred to Florida by his contract company. They put him at Disney.

It is definitely a slanted article.

Hammer;2459310 wrote: As I said earlier in the thread, this is a common practice at many companies, not just Disney. I read the article and it makes it sound like Disney invented this practice. I know of H-1B workers being used by Disney for almost 3 years, as one of the H-1 workers who worked for me decided he hated the cold and asked to be transferred to Florida by his contract company. They put him at Disney.

It is definitely a slanted article.

A slanted article? Just because other companies do something, does not make it right. Iger is one of the people leading the charge to increase the use of these visas under the premise that there are not enough skilled US workers to do the job. Disney brought in 250 people to replace skilled US workers for no other reason then to save money, not because the workers were not skilled.

Wow, just wow......

mrte62;2459436 wrote: A slanted article? Just because other companies do something, does not make it right. Iger is one of the people leading the charge to increase the use of these visas under the premise that there are not enough skilled US workers to do the job. Disney brought in 250 people to replace skilled US workers for no other reason then to save money, not because the workers were not skilled.

Wow, just wow......

As I said, many companies do this, including Disney's competition, and they have been doing it for far longer. Those CEOs are with Iger leading the charge as well. Of course it isn't right and I wasn't saying it was. I say the article is slanted because it mentions only Disney, where there are many other companies that do this as well and there wasn't any mention of them.

This *****. While not all those who were fired LOVED Disney, I imagine most of them did. Seems to me that working at Disney is just a little different than working elsewhere. Do you think the foreign employees have the same excitement working at Disney?
Are ticket prices going down, now that Disney is saving all this money? (...he said, fully loaded with sarcasm)

Hammer;2459444 wrote: As I said, many companies do this, including Disney's competition, and they have been doing it for far longer. Those CEOs are with Iger leading the charge as well. Of course it isn't right and I wasn't saying it was. I say the article is slanted because it mentions only Disney, where there are many other companies that do this as well and there wasn't any mention of them.

I respectfully disagree. While Disney may be doing what other companies are doing, the CEO is part of a group lobbying Congress to extend the visa program allegedly because of the lack of skilled US workers. As we know, nothing could be farther from the truth.

Train the people to take your job (and make sure they do a good job or no severance) is despicable at best .....

The whole argument about H1-B Visa programs being necessary due to lack of domestic talent has almost always been a scam. The talent is available, they just do not want to pay them and would prefer to have someone over the H1-B Visa barrel. The employer has a lot more leverage on this employee than one who does not have their legal resident status connected to the job.

Any company that makes this argument, when it is known they sent highly qualified and high performing employees packing, should really be ashamed of themselves. "Norm for the industry" does not make it the ethical thing to do. It also indicates they don't mind lying to save a buck. If a company is willing to lie about the talent level of their employees, there is probably nothing they won't lie about.

Tekneek;2459535 wrote: The whole argument about H1-B Visa programs being necessary due to lack of domestic talent has almost always been a scam. The talent is available, they just do not want to pay them and would prefer to have someone over the H1-B Visa barrel. The employer has a lot more leverage on this employee than one who does not have their legal resident status connected to the job.

Any company that makes this argument, when it is known they sent highly qualified and high performing employees packing, should really be ashamed of themselves. "Norm for the industry" does not make it the ethical thing to do. It also indicates they don't mind lying to save a buck. If a company is willing to lie about the talent level of their employees, there is probably nothing they won't lie about.

Completely agree. Truth be told, this is the reason I posted the article in the first place. I am not worried about other companies (on Intercot that is). I am concerned that there may be no limit as to what this regime at Disney might come up with to charge more and more and deliver less and less .... not to mention what they are dreaming up for there employees .... have a magical day...

Well, there again, isn't that every company's goal? Provide as little as possible, for as much profit as possible?

texas211;2459555 wrote: Well, there again, isn't that every company's goal? Provide as little as possible, for as much profit as possible?

If you have to be dishonest to make that buck, it is a problem. I wouldn't say that it is every company's goal. The survival of every enterprise is not dependent upon firing domestic employees and replacing them with cheap foreign labor.

Why is it assumed that these foreign IT employees are less capable or skilled than their American counterparts?

It's better than outsourcing these jobs oversees. In the case of H1-B visas, the local economy still benefits from the employees paying rent, buying gas, eating out, etc.

AndrewJackson;2459581 wrote: Why is it assumed that these foreign IT employees are less capable or skilled than their American counterparts?

It's better than outsourcing these jobs oversees. In the case of H1-B visas, the local economy still benefits from the employees paying rent, buying gas, eating out, etc.

I'm not assuming that. I'm saying that the claim H1-B Visas are required to address a skill shortage amongst domestic workers is almost always a lie. The truth is usually that the company does not want to pay for the domestic workers. They are simply not being honest. This is also not about Americans vs non-Americans. They opt for H1-B Visa workers over domestic workers, whether they are American or any other citizenship with legal resident status (green card).

It's a global economy now, and Disney is a global company. The days of any country's labor force demanding and getting higher wages simply because they are native and local to that country are over. There's a worldwide market labor supply available now, and pricing yourself out of that market is not a good idea if you want to compete for jobs. It may not seem "fair" from a patriotic standpoint, but it's good business, especially for global companies. If there are other people who can and will do the job just as well for less $$ than you, why should an employer hire you instead? You better have some good reasons in today's economy.

I am not arguing about the fairness of it. I am arguing about the honesty of it. If you want an expansion of H1-B Visa programs because you're too cheap to pay workers that are already here, be honest about it. I realize the truth might be bad PR, but stand by your choices and be proud of them. If they are really the right thing to do, shouldn't you be loud and proud?

Tekneek;2459587 wrote: I'm not assuming that. I'm saying that the claim H1-B Visas are required to address a skill shortage amongst domestic workers is almost always a lie. The truth is usually that the company does not want to pay for the domestic workers. They are simply not being honest. This is also not about Americans vs non-Americans. They opt for H1-B Visa workers over domestic workers, whether they are American or any other citizenship with legal resident status (green card).

But someone else, not you, commented that Disney did this to offer less and charge more. "Offering less" implies that these H1B visa workers are less skilled, qualified, etc

Depending on the source, that could be true many times over. If in doubt, call "Bob" from ATT..