New Classification System for Walt Disney World Hotels?

azcavalier;2506363 wrote: I think that they could just raise the prices without reclassification. I don't think reclassifying has anything to do with trying to figure out a way to make more money, simply because they can raise prices whenever they want.

Agreed... I don't believe the reclassification (if and when they get to it) isn't about raising prices... They are going to rise anyway... I think it's to make thing a little easier classification-wise... People already kind of call Poly a MK resort... Well, this reclassification will just make it official lol...

Prices are going to go up once the gondalas open... And I do mean up... Not the typical yearly price increase... I believe they are going to skyrocket...

No I don't mean you will be paying 1000 a night for Pop... But you won't be paying 120 a night either...

texas211;2506370 wrote: I don't think people are necessary complaining about the price yet, but the value for that price. I'm spending a good fee on rooms, then I consider the soaps part of it. Given dispensers like at lower level chains, is not my idea of good value. Just disney cheaping out. If we are down to comparing disney to Residence Inn, then, boom, off site I go.

Just unfortunate.

Exactly... I think majority of the people that complain about Disney's prices are complaining because they don't feel they are getting the quality for the price... And they are right, in their perspective... Disney was at it's best 1990's to early 2000's.... Quality was expected... Management demanded it... Now?? Eh, good enough suffices... While I think they have slowly started turning that page with Pandora and soon Star Wars, they still go for cheap looking, little theme good enough Toy Story Land... The original concept was incredible... Now??? it is cut to bare bones... Truth is, it doesn't seem to matter because they are still going to get the crowds in Toy Story Play Land...

We know Imagineering and Disney can still do quality work... Management just needs to let those imaginations fly... Until Iger leaves and takes some of the theme park management with him, looking at you Chapek... Imagination will be stunted...

DizneyFreak2002;2506385 wrote: Exactly... I think majority of the people that complain about Disney's prices are complaining because they don't feel they are getting the quality for the price... And they are right, in their perspective... Disney was at it's best 1990's to early 2000's.... Quality was expected... Management demanded it... Now?? Eh, good enough suffices... While I think they have slowly started turning that page with Pandora and soon Star Wars, they still go for cheap looking, little theme good enough Toy Story Land... The original concept was incredible... Now??? it is cut to bare bones... Truth is, it doesn't seem to matter because they are still going to get the crowds in Toy Story Play Land...

We know Imagineering and Disney can still do quality work... Management just needs to let those imaginations fly... Until Iger leaves and takes some of the theme park management with him, looking at you Chapek... Imagination will be stunted...

And see, I thought you were taking a different stance. But I 100% agree with this.
They need to led imagination fly, and write the checks.

DizneyFreak2002;2506384 wrote:

No I don't mean you will be paying 1000 a night for Pop... But you won't be paying 120 a night either...

I'm not sure I would be paying $120 a night for the new Pop either. I really don't like the pictures I have seen of the rooms.

Cinderelley;2506400 wrote: I'm not sure I would be paying $120 a night for the new Pop either. I really don't like the pictures I have seen of the rooms.

I bet it'll be in the 200's before long. Whether that be next year or StarWars year.

DizneyFreak2002;2506384 wrote: Agreed... I don't believe the reclassification (if and when they get to it) isn't about raising prices... They are going to rise anyway... I think it's to make thing a little easier classification-wise... People already kind of call Poly a MK resort... Well, this reclassification will just make it official lol...

Prices are going to go up once the gondalas open... And I do mean up... Not the typical yearly price increase... I believe they are going to skyrocket...

No I don't mean you will be paying 1000 a night for Pop... But you won't be paying 120 a night either...

Don't faint, I agree with you and Texas on this ;)

In all seriousness I live locally, little less than a hour away.
We do weekend trips sometimes and most always stay off site somewhere on 192 Tourist Trap.
My kiddos love it.
But we stay at the off site values.
Always pay less than $60 a night and often it has some kind of kid's suite and always has a coffee maker.
I adore Disney but not even putting a coffee maker in the "Value" resorts is just dumb.
I can't justify spending $140ish a night as a "value".
It's just not our family's budget.
I'd rather have that extra money for in park fun and souvenirs and not paying that for a bed to sleep in.

I just spent over $250 for 2 nights in a King room in a Comfort Suites in Monaca, PA -- about 10 -15 miles north of Pittsburgh (for my niece's wedding.) The room was half the size of a Value room at Pop. To say that the rooms in Disney resorts are overpriced for what you get, to me, is ludicrous. You have to have a frame of reference and understand where you are and what you are getting for your $$$.

I have no problem paying the Disney prices because I am getting a good sized, clean room with amenities like transportation to/from the parks, the Disney 'feel', and more. Now, I DO agree that Deluxe rooms are ungodly expensive and Moderates are quickly reaching those levels, BUT they are filling those rooms! Value rooms are still in the 'reasonable' range, and rising, but not as bad as many are making them out to be.

Certainly prices are going up, and they will continue to do so as long as people are paying and they can keep over 75% occupancy. Supply and demand -- As long as the demand is there, they will keep increasing prices. There are a lot of comments when a new discount comes up and people are not able to get in on them because 'supply is limited'...Why is that? Could it be because there are that few rooms actually available to be discounted?

And this is one area that I don't believe that I have ever seen comparisons with Universal. What are the comparable rooms there price points?

Back to the original thread premise: Changing the resort 'categorizations'...Someone earlier commented that these proposed changes would match up better with the DME tag listings. This actually makes sense. It would seem, again to me, that selecting a location THEN selecting a price point would make things a lot simpler for a lot of people, specially the infrequent or first-time visitors. Will we see DVC, Deluxe, Moderate and Value categories go away? Doubtful. They will just be sub-categories to the location category.

Of course, these are just my opinions and like hemorrhoids, every butt-hole has them! :rotfl:

PopPhan;2506540 wrote: I just spent over $250 for 2 nights in a King room in a Comfort Suites in Monaca, PA -- about 10 -15 miles north of Pittsburgh (for my niece's wedding.) The room was half the size of a Value room at Pop. To say that the rooms in Disney resorts are overpriced for what you get, to me, is ludicrous. You have to have a frame of reference and understand where you are and what you are getting for your $$$.

Of course, these are just my opinions and like hemorrhoids, every butt-hole has them! :rotfl:

I think that is the point. We are now starting to compare the Disney experience with comfort inn. Its like comparing BMW to Kia. If BMW was coming down to that, I'd seriously look other vehicles. I look at Deluxe, Moderate and Value as Ferrari, Porsche and BMW b/c of Disney. Perhaps that expectation is being adjusted this way to Ferrari, Cadillac and Kia. I think that is where the heartburn is. We are still expecting BMW, and perhaps their thought is we should be expecting Kia.

But, if I was expecting Cadillac and Kia, there are plenty of better offsites that price for price are better. Its not the bargain I'm looking for, its the full value of what I'm getting. Saying theme and transportation is the tie breaker. I disagree. I feel they are doing less for the experience, transportation at values is mediocre (at best). Regardless, I only stay at Moderates or better. However, with the soap thing on top of this, less theme, nickel and diming, and already borderline transport, then I have to look at other options. We did a weekend getaway, I was able to book the Waldorf for the same price as Dixie Landings.

So, to go back to the original point. I do feel they are reclassifying. Its the boiling frog syndrome. The old moderate pricing will be the lowest tier, or some other pacifying grouping. They want to hit even bigger numbers, and are cashing out in Star wars land.

Terra;2506535 wrote: Don't faint, I agree with you and Texas on this ;)

In all seriousness I live locally, little less than a hour away.
We do weekend trips sometimes and most always stay off site somewhere on 192 Tourist Trap.
My kiddos love it.
But we stay at the off site values.
Always pay less than $60 a night and often it has some kind of kid's suite and always has a coffee maker.
I adore Disney but not even putting a coffee maker in the "Value" resorts is just dumb.
I can't justify spending $140ish a night as a "value".
It's just not our family's budget.
I'd rather have that extra money for in park fun and souvenirs and not paying that for a bed to sleep in.

I have said in the past there is more value offsite, and Disney fans ripped me cause I dare question Disney... Now, more people, even the hardened Disney fan, see it too...

Disney has conditioned their guests to think they have to stay onsite, and if they don't stay onsite, they are going to have a horrid vacation... Well, Potter opened, people finally left the Disney bubble and realized there truly is a more affordable, less stressful, and much better world outside Disney grounds... Hotels are cleaner, cheaper, and better... These people realized Disney had them fooled into thinking their vacations would be ruined if they didn't bow down to King Rat...

Disney resorts used to be something special... Now, eh, not so much... Other resorts are now themed... Other resorts actually give their guests perks and benefits... Disney, they find ways to remove what little perks are left, while charging you more for it...

And as you said, it is a bed... No sense paying 150 for a bed when you get get it for 60 in a nicer hotel..

Cinderelley;2506400 wrote: I'm not sure I would be paying $120 a night for the new Pop either. I really don't like the pictures I have seen of the rooms.

....I know of a place that gets $500/night for rooms that look like that ....it's called a hospital

JerseyDad;2506701 wrote: ....I know of a place that gets $500/night for rooms that look like that ....it's called a hospital

LOL! That's probably why I don't like it. I work in a hospital.

Cinderelley;2506703 wrote: LOL! That's probably why I don't like it. I work in a hospital.

I got to meet w some of the healthcare team at Disney (I'm in healthcare IT) and it is amazing.

texas211;2506709 wrote: I got to meet w some of the healthcare team at Disney (I'm in healthcare IT) and it is amazing.

I have heard that you have to basically wait until someone retires before a spot opens up.

JerseyDad;2506701 wrote: ....I know of a place that gets $500/night for rooms that look like that ....it's called a hospital

Here in my town, you'd be lucky if the hospital only charged $500 a night lol...

DizneyFreak2002;2506778 wrote: Here in my town, you'd be lucky if the hospital only charged $500 a night lol...

........ I was being instantaneously, and perhaps prematurely sarcastic! [emoji12]

........ With a little more research I probably would have come up with the $1,750 per room charge, when I didn't even take a room (emergency room visit when my daughter cut her big toe a few years ago). [emoji34]

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