No standby for Toy Story Mania this week?

I am against any park telling guests that they can't wait in line. If I drop $90 on a ticket I should have the option to wait in whatever line I want no matter how long it is. I'm glad to hear this is only a test being done for our future benefit.

And why isn't it worth it to do a day trip to Disney? (Which is basically what Disney wants, they don't want you to go for a day and their pricing system is designed to discourage it) now if it's a price thing I get that, I think $94 for a day at Disney or universal is ridiculous. However, if it is because of FP+ I think that's crazy. It's not worth it? You know you are allowed to ride rides without a FP, right? Just like the old days, just like our local parks. It seems like FP has spoiled a certain sector of Disney fans who think they can't wait in a line that's longer than 20 minutes.

DizneyFreak2002;2436427 wrote:
They are testing to see how things work with FP+ only lines... Remember, they are adding a third track, which is supposed to be for stand by only... This test will help them determine which works better: two FP+ lines/one stand by line, or two stand by lines/one FP+ line...

Any idea what they're looking for in terms of 'better' Freak? I mean the hourly throughput for the ride doesn't change if the guests are coming from 1 standby line or 2 fastpass lines or 1 standby and 1 fastpass. Are they looking for 'better' in terms of fewer CMs required per rider or just keeping guests out of lines and in other areas they can be tempted to buy things or what?

Today in MK we were able to book "fast" passes for Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise and Pirates. We waited in the "fast" pass lines 15, 20 and 35 minutes. I think i know what the + stands for in FP+. It's all the extra time you get to spend in line. For true Disney lovers, we will put up with a lot, just to be here, but for newbies it's way too stressful and convoluted and confusing and discouraging. Old way to get fast passes really worked alright, just needed a trickle of FP all day to avoid no FP left by 10AM.
Ahhhhhh well, I'm sitting in MK and listening to the wonderful sounds of Disney. Love being here, always will. Hope one day someone with Walt's heartand joy and Roy's financial brilliance will revive what was intended. Until then, I'm grateful to sit here with memories of Walt in so many things around me!

dnickels;2436452 wrote: The hourly throughput for the ride doesn't change if the guests are coming from 1 standby line or 2 fastpass lines or 1 standby and 1 fastpass. Are they looking for 'better' in terms of fewer CMs required per rider or just keeping guests out of lines and in other areas they can be tempted to buy things or what?

I think it's just Disney making sure their models are right. Let's say 10% of people with fastpasses dont show and this number increases to 15% as the day goes on. But these values are based on a smaller sample size. In a mixed line this doesn't matter since the standby can just fill in. But if it is a Fastpass only line you might not be running at full capacity (and you can't run to the line on the other side of the building to grab standby people). So do you give out 105% capacity worth of Fastpasses? Disney just wants another data pool to look at before they make final decisions. Sadly this is the best ride to do this test on since it is the most consistently "sold out" ride in the parks.

dnickels;2436452 wrote: Any idea what they're looking for in terms of 'better' Freak? I mean the hourly throughput for the ride doesn't change if the guests are coming from 1 standby line or 2 fastpass lines or 1 standby and 1 fastpass. Are they looking for 'better' in terms of fewer CMs required per rider or just keeping guests out of lines and in other areas they can be tempted to buy things or what?

Read Dreamer's post above... Hits the nail on the head... People don't always show up for their FP... and now, with FP+, people can change their selections...

If TSMM has a hourly capacity of 1000 per hour, and 700 of those are FP, 300 are stand by.. if 30 FP guests do not show up, no harm... 30 extra stand by guests make up the difference.. if/when they go to all FP only, and give out 1000 FPs for the hour, and 30 people do not do not show up, now you had a hourly ridership of only 970, cutting capacity and inflating the FP wait time line...

This is all data gathering to decide the best option... It stinks for the people there now who received no warning about this, and yes, this is the way Disney now treats guests, with contempt... Not to even warn guests a head of time is poor customer service... And Disney should be ashamed... and guests have the right to be mad... And from all accounts, today was not a good day for management and guest satisfaction...

I just wanted to make sure people didn't run with DISNEY IS GETTING RID OF STAND BY LINES ALTOGETHER cause that isn't true... yet...

BrerGnat;2436438 wrote: Maybe TDO should realize that the ONLY reason the lines for TSMM are so long in the first place is because of the utter lack of RIDES for the "whole family" at DHS. Maybe instead of building another track (which sounds like a ridiculous idea, IMO) build some new RIDES that everyone can go on. I bet if they did that, TSMM would not be so popular. The attraction itself is not that good. This is evidenced by the lack of insanity generated over at DCA for the same ride. That is because there are plenty of other rides at DCA.

Yes, this! But I do enjoy TSMM.

I can't WAIT for my trip to Disneyland in a few weeks. Ahhhh, relaxing. What am I riding on October 23? I have no idea, nor know what park we'll be in. And I'm loving it! :mickey:

I agree that they should put more rides there rather than adding an extra track to TSMM.

I'm hoping that this FP only thing is temporary as suggested. Doing this on any kind of permanent basis would be horrible. And, I don't blame those guests who were expecting to do stand by for being angry. Not being able to get on a ride because it's down for maintenance or weather is one thing. Being told you're not going to be allowed to wait stand by is another thing entirely. Disney should have been prepared to offer something really nice to the people who were turned away.

As a side note, someone mentioned that Universal or Legoland are more feasible for a day visitor. I have to disagree, not at $96 for Universal and $69 for Legoland. We've discussed trying a day trip to one of these parks many times, but the prices have turned us away. Now, we wouldn't want to pay just for 1 day at Disney either, it is a better deal to go longer. But, if we were choosing a place to spend one day, MK would be it. We know we will enjoy ourselves there.

Not a fan. At all. Hopefully it IS just a test, but even so, that really stinks for those who are there on the test days and can't ride. I don't care if they add another track, but yes, they MUST add more rides. No ifs, ands, or buts.

We were in Disneyland on Aug. 5 and Toy Story Mania had a standby wait time of 40 minutes at 10:45 a.m. Just sayin'. :mickey:

Melanie;2436366 wrote: Right! Another good point. With the tiers, if this remains, if you choose RnRC, you won't ride TSM. What???? That's insane that Disney would/could dictate that.

But can't you ride both ?? just one with FP and the other you will have to wait.

minnie04;2436556 wrote: But can't you ride both ?? just one with FP and the other you will have to wait.

I was saying that if what they are testing remains (no standby for TSM), if you choose R'nRC (as part of one tier) as your FP+, you wouldn't be able to ride TSM since there would be no standby.

Anyone confused yet? I am!

I don't see how this could ever come to be long term though.

INTERCOTee Nikki reported this morning that the standby line for Anna & Elsa is back. Who can tell me what the point of that test was?

We are seriously talking about not renewing our FL Resident APs this year. Every time we decide to go over for a day, we try to get FP+, and the only times available are usually at 9/10pm. That doesnt work for us since we have a two hour drive each way. Then some one tells me they actually had 12 fast passes for one day. Its just sad what they have done. First we found it impossible to eat at a table service restaurant and now this.

Universal is looking better and better. We can have a nice meal and not run around with a spreadsheet.

The only good part of FP+ is that maybe some people who NEED to lose their jobs will. In my experience, though, those are the people that are the best at throwing other people under the bus...

By the way, I am hoping and praying this is all worked out before November of next year! I want our first trip with the daughter and son-in-law and grandkids to be wonderful...NOT stressful!!! My wife and my last trip in 2010 was marred by faulty computer upgrades. In my mind, I'm giving Disney one more shot to get it right...

The first time I went to WDW we could only experience the attractions that we had tickets for.

In 40+ years, we've witnessed lots of changes. The changes have changed.

And thanks, Melanie for the info about the return to standby for Anna and Elsa.

Jan