Stand-by Fasspass tests????

Agreed. As I alluded to in my original post, they need to do something related to the attraction to fix it, not just create more artifical restrictions to its use.

I am more concerned with permanent installations like Soarin that are chronic slow movers.
One would argue they could do more to alleve the short term A&E phenomenon, but they are sticking to the tradition/illusion of one set of M&G characters at any one time, even though that concept is bent with different versions of the Fab 5 in M&G at the same time in different parks.

mrte62;2426063 wrote: Exactly!

Instead of treating the symptoms, it is time to start treating the cause ....

If they were to treat the cause, the pencil pushing MBAs would be all out of jobs... Maybe creativity can them blossom again... Oh, but wait, there are other causes? Then Iger, Staggs, Rasulo, Crofton, Holmes, Georgie K, etc, etc etc would all be out of jobs too...

MANAGEMENT is the root cause of the problems... Until they hold themselves accountable, or until the BoD holds management accountable, the cause will not be taken care of...

So what is the Cause? Too few attractions?
Or just such large numbers of guests?
Seems to me it is a combination of both.

When the parks are nearly full most of the time, there's a powerful incentive for ownership and management to do nothing different, despite the complaints of guests about long waits, poor service, etc. After all, as long as the parks are nearly full, they must be doing something right.

Why spend millions investing in new attractions if it is not going to significantly increase attendance? And if it does increase attendance, then all the rides/shows attractions will still have just as long a wait time as they did before. More rides, but more people attending. They don't build new attractions to reduce our wait times, they build them to increase revenue.

I certainly don't expect Disney to build additional attractions just to reduce wait times. There's no financial incentive for them to do that, unless and until guest dissatisfaction starts resulting in reduced park attendance. So vote with your wallet. Do something else with your vacation $$$. That's the quickest way to get their attention that something is wrong in the "world". Otherwise, with full parks and hotels, expect more of the same.

No matter what kind of FP/express pass systems is uses, they won't really change the big picture, which is: Large crowds + limited numbers of things to do = long lines, no matter how you spin it.

DizneyFreak2002;2425688 wrote: So let's recap...

Disney started FP with paper fastpasses for guests to return at a later time during the day... Then they change FP to FP+, and eliminate the paper fastpasses... They add FP+ to rides which don't need FP thus increasing wait times... Also you can book 60 days out, not have to run to an attraction to get a paper FP, and so you could spend less time in lines (hasn't worked, guests are, on the average spending more time in lines)... only to now to create a situation where guests have to run to an attraction to obtain a paper fastpass to so you now don't have to wait on the stand by line and return when yourn new paper fastpass tells you to so you can wait in standby..

My thoughts exactly

Good grief. When does the insanity stop? We are going to have to start a tutoring class for first timers to even have a clue how to go on a WDW vacation. Heck, I have been so many times I can't count them all and I can't even keep up with when to schedule what or for where. When I can get more FP+'s and where or when to get them. Forget ADR's for restaurants when combined with all this other mess...........NOW all of the sudden they say "Hey......remember those paper fastpasses that worked so well that we used to use? Let's "test" those on a few attractions and meet and greets and see how they work." LMAO!

Now keep in mind, they are now layering the old paper FP on top of the FP+ as a test. I just want to bang my head on the wall.

I haven't been back since the introduced FP+ because I am dreading dealing with all of the scheduling and running around making the times. Now this.......I am just disgusted.

I realize they apparently see they have a problem and are trying to find a way to fix it. IMO, this new wait time issue is a direct result of FP+ that they did not foresee. They thought everyone would go eat ice creams and shop for souvenirs and apparently it never crossed their mind that everyone would instead just go stand in line for the latest fad or newest ride.

DizneyRox;2425693 wrote: Fastpass for Standby! Now I've seen everything!

WOW!

We're not far off from a fastpass for the restrooms folks!

Pre FP+ I used to say that the FP line for attractions like Soarin' and Toy Story Mania needed a FP.

1DisneyNut;2426099 wrote:
I haven't been back since the introduced FP+ because I am dreading dealing with all of the scheduling and running around making the times. Now this.......I am just disgusted.

I actually found the new FP+ system less stressful once I arrived at the parks. I no longer had to be the runner that went to get Fastpasses, while the rest of my group was off having fun.

It almost sounds like this new thing is what the original FP was supposed to be (as envisioned by Disney), except this time the pass controls the standbye line, where as before the pass allowed you to bypass the standbye line.

One intresting thing that I read is that they do not give you a pass unless the line is more than 30 minutes long. I find this intresting because it will prevent what I think was one of the biggest problems with the original FP. Which was people pulling FPs when there was no line.

DizneyRox;2425716 wrote: Stock price is going up because revenue is greater than expenses.

Raise prices and cut back spending and wall street is happy. WDW is doing both of those. Customer satisfaction is not figured into stock price.

Exactly. And don't forget theme parks are only a very small part of the Disney stock. Disney is a mega corporation - don't forget ABC, television development, movies, DVD/digital sales, music ventures, profits from IP permissions, Pixar, Star Wars, Marvel - technically speaking, there are 5 branches - Media Networks, Parks and Resorts, Studio Entertainment, Consumer Products, and Interactive.

There's a lot going on here profit-wise beyond the theme parks. Back in the day there were times that DIS stock has flown up despite reveune plateauing in the parks.

1DisneyNut;2426099 wrote: Good grief. When does the insanity stop? We are going to have to start a tutoring class for first timers to even have a clue how to go on a WDW vacation. Heck, I have been so many times I can't count them all and I can't even keep up with when to schedule what or for where. When I can get more FP+'s and where or when to get them. Forget ADR's for restaurants when combined with all this other mess...........NOW all of the sudden they say "Hey......remember those paper fastpasses that worked so well that we used to use? Let's "test" those on a few attractions and meet and greets and see how they work." LMAO!

Now keep in mind, they are now layering the old paper FP on top of the FP+ as a test. I just want to bang my head on the wall.

I haven't been back since the introduced FP+ because I am dreading dealing with all of the scheduling and running around making the times. Now this.......I am just disgusted.

I realize they apparently see they have a problem and are trying to find a way to fix it. IMO, this new wait time issue is a direct result of FP+ that they did not foresee. They thought everyone would go eat ice creams and shop for souvenirs and apparently it never crossed their mind that everyone would instead just go stand in line for the latest fad or newest ride.

It's like you read my mind! I feel bad for first-timers and this seems like a bit mess. I'm hoping this is all logically and smoothly figured out before my next visit!

I'm a planner by nature and, in fact, plan professionally for a living. But this is to the point that it is no longer relaxing and/or enjoyable!

So apparently, from a CM front line point of view, this was a failure... people turned away cause no more passes left? People mad cause they couldn't get on the stand by line without a fast pass... Wow who would have thunk it... Not TDO...

And reportedly, the testing at Soarin is already a failure as well... Again, lots of angry guests...

People, any more proof TDO are morons?

DizneyFreak2002;2426458 wrote: So apparently, from a CM front line point of view, this was a failure... people turned away cause no more passes left? People mad cause they couldn't get on the stand by line without a fast pass... Wow who would have thunk it... Not TDO...

And reportedly, the testing at Soarin is already a failure as well... Again, lots of angry guests...

Shocker.....lol

Who in their right mind would have ever thought that was a good idea anyway?

I guess from an optimist point of view, one could say at least they are trying to do something. Trying to put more layers on top of an already overly complicated system isn't going to do the trick though.

I have to say, if I was there and walked up to say Soarin expecting to stand in line, even if the line was long but then was turned away because they had given out paper FP's for the standby line on top of filling the FP line with FP+'s.......I would probably be escorted to the exit gate before it was over with.

DizneyFreak2002;2426458 wrote: So apparently, from a CM front line point of view, this was a failure... people turned away cause no more passes left? People mad cause they couldn't get on the stand by line without a fast pass... Wow who would have thunk it... Not TDO...

And reportedly, the testing at Soarin is already a failure as well... Again, lots of angry guests...

People, any more proof TDO are morons?

Their morons for trying to control standby lines? Not in my book. They tried something and it didn't work so back to lots of frustrated people in very long lines. At least they tried which was better than doing nothing which I'm sure would get similar complaints. Very easy to complain when one can complain about all sides of an issue.

I do have a question, how many multibillion dollar theme parks have you run?

1DisneyNut;2426461 wrote: Shocker.....lol

Who in their right mind would have ever thought that was a good idea anyway?

Who? Meg... Georgie... And the other wonderfully gifted and talented individuals ruining, I mean running WDW...

Oh and of course those Disney fans who think Disney loves them, cares about them, and is perfect in every way...

Polynesian Dweller;2426464 wrote: Their morons for trying to control standby lines? Not in my book. They tried something and it didn't work so back to lots of frustrated people in very long lines. At least they tried which was better than doing nothing which I'm sure would get similar complaints. Very easy to complain when one can complain about all sides of an issue.

I do have a question, how many multibillion dollar theme parks have you run?

Yes they are morons...

Easy and simple solution: ADD MORE CAPACITY... oh but wait, that means spending money.. Never mind... it isn't DVC or else they would

And anyone with active brain cells could have known and would have known this wouldn't have worked... But hey, they run multi billion dollar theme parks... Guess they know what they are doing...

***They don't by the way...