Stand-by Fasspass tests????

DizneyFreak2002;2426607 wrote:

You know what else gets old? When someone who doesn't see things through pixie dusted glasses posts their opinions which may not be 100% positive, they get told to leave the site, stop wasting your time here, and to stop going to WDW... That just shows me, and proves to me, what I have said about some online Disney fans for a while now.. And no, I won't post it... I have stated it in the past... I'm sure you read it before..

Well, I never told you to leave ;) Certainly we all do have a right to our opinions. And I do agree with some in the past, of what you said. And I say this 'cause I HAVE agreed. It does seem like as of lately, everything you post is negative.
At some point, like with a job someone hates because there was new management and lots of change.
You have to decide if it's worth the level of frustration for you to continually post all negative. Personally? I couldn't hack it. But by all means, if you are comfortable with only negative thoughts, have at it.

If that makes me pixie dust colored glasses nerdy, then I'm in ;)
Heck I do not AT ALL like the new GAC procedures. HATE IT. But I can't change it so I deal, and still choose to have a fun attitude.
People don't want negative all the time. In my experience anyway.

EricJ;2426610 wrote: I find that the people (like me) who AREN'T Frozen fans are the ones immune to complaining about this the loudest, or to crying about the "greedy bottom line" or "mismanagement" of the parks, and how "Iger and co." are "disrespecting what's currently their biggest hit" and "blind to the audience demand" by not permanently plastering all four parks with it, or using it as an excuse to build another New Fantasyland this week to make the parks more interesting, and that they'll "vote with their dollars" now that "Harry Potter has changed the game".
Which, as I joked (or at least made the friendly appearance of joking) earlier, isn't about Iger, isn't about the lines, and isn't about attractions. It's because the complainant couldn't get his Frozen fix. Which sounds, to the outside Frozen-immune bystander observer, like a child throwing a meltdown because the line on Peter Pan was too long, and blaming anyone who gets in his way as "unfair".

Over on another board, we had one notorious poster who practically made a public board jackass out of himself claiming to have "Insider scoops" that MaelFrozen was happening, and stonewalled all argument to the contrary with "Nope, it's a doner, totally going to happen," and laughed off any poster response of "And you know this how?..." as just disgruntled pixie-dust fans who didn't want to face the inevitable. (Although most believed it as gospel truth completely out of hand on said lack of evidence, because it was "supposed" to happen at this point.)
When pushed to the edge, he later let it slip that he hadn't been to the park in years, and hated Epcot for the "mismanagement", his "insider scoop" had been on a chat board while waiting for a D&D game, and nearly every rumor was laced with long editorials about how I&C "would" bulldoze Norway, just like every other lame bad decision they'd made at Epcot, etc.

No 'ffense, DizFreak, but....you're sounding EXACTLY like that. Right down to the semicolon. Frustration with the management has the psychological effect of turning wishful rumors into fact, and "fact" into schedules, and you want to believe in cynical paranoia, because any thought that Disney might not be doing it is "just fooling yourselves".
The 5-hour lines, to the immune observer do not seem normal (in fact, they're bringing back old flashbacks of the days of when you couldn't turn in any direction and get away from High School Musical at DHS), and Disney is trying to make normal out of the abnormal, until such day, if any over the next few months, as it passes. And I'm one of those folks who think they're doing an able, or at least thankless, job of it.

Yes to this. Great insight.

Terra;2426619 wrote: Well, I never told you to leave ;) Certainly we all do have a right to our opinions. And I do agree with some in the past, of what you said. And I say this 'cause I HAVE agreed. It does seem like as of lately, everything you post is negative.
At some point, like with a job someone hates because there was new management and lots of change.
You have to decide if it's worth the level of frustration for you to continually post all negative. Personally? I couldn't hack it. But by all means, if you are comfortable with only negative thoughts, have at it.

If that makes me pixie dust colored glasses nerdy, then I'm in ;)
Heck I do not AT ALL like the new GAC procedures. HATE IT. But I can't change it so I deal, and still choose to have a fun attitude.
People don't want negative all the time. In my experience anyway.

Not everything I post is or has been negative.. I have been front and center defending Avatar... I have given props to the new Festival of Fantasy parade... I have even said the new hub work is much needed and, if looks anything like the art released, will make the hub look great... I have said New Fantasyland is nice looking, though lacking substance... Trust me, I have been plenty of positive... People only want to ever notice the negative though...

I refer you to my October trip observations... There are plenty of positives in there...

And I didn't personally mean you when I mentioned about the tiring comments...

You don't like the new GAC procedures... Many don't.. But don't think you can't change it.. You can... In order to be part of the solution, you need to express your displeasure... They will listen... And if enough complain, they will change procedures... :thumbsup:

DizneyFreak2002;2426622 wrote: Not everything I post is or has been negative.. I have been front and center defending Avatar... I have given props to the new Festival of Fantasy parade... I have even said the new hub work is much needed and, if looks anything like the art released, will make the hub look great... I have said New Fantasyland is nice looking, though lacking substance... Trust me, I have been plenty of positive... People only want to ever notice the negative though...

I refer you to my October trip observations... There are plenty of positives in there...

And I didn't personally mean you when I mentioned about the tiring comments...

You don't like the new GAC procedures... Many don't.. But don't think you can't change it.. You can... In order to be part of the solution, you need to express your displeasure... They will listen... And if enough complain, they will change procedures... :thumbsup:

Oh, I should go in on the lawsuit! Totally kidding. :blush:

Can't argue with you there, yes you have had some positives. I guess on this subject, It's just not a big deal for me maybe? I don't really have a dog in the fight. Don't see the big issue with the FP or bands. BUT that is just me.

On another note, I do think I may write a letter of displeasure on behalf of my son for the GAC.

A fastpass for a standyby is crazy and a momentary stop-gap that doesn't address the larger issue. I can give them a break on the out-of-the-bluestaying power and popularity of A&E, but as for Soarin'? You wouldn't need to go that route if they invested in other areas of Epcot.

:soapbox: As for the back and forth about negative posts, I just have to shake my head and wonder how many people criticizing have ever ventured over to ANY other disney board. The vast majority are filled with negative know-it-alls ready to bite your head off. Intercot is still by far the friendliest Disney site that I've ever come across. I've been an active poster here for over a decade now. If there is a particular poster that gets on your nerves so bad, there is an ignore feature. Otherwise, no one is making you read what they write. Skip his/her posts when you see them. As long as no one is being personally attacked or someone is a troll just out looking for trouble, there is nothing wrong with being critical. I for one love to hear multiple opinions on things and appreciate a good debate. Sadly it seems in this day and age society as a whole is becoming less and less tolerant of opposing view points, and many would rather go about their lives never having to deal with people who have differing opinions, and that's a shame. :soapbox:

DizneyFreak2002;2426607 wrote: 30 minutes? Really... Go figure... Especially since, if waits did decrease to 30 minutes at the end of June, would have had nothing to do with the testing.. Since the testing was done at the end of July...

I know that, I was just saying that the A&E frenzy just seems to be at WDW and not at Disneyland. It was just an aside.

VWL Mom;2426641 wrote: I know that, I was just saying that the A&E frenzy just seems to be at WDW and not at Disneyland. It was just an aside.

It's crazy at WDW... Absolute crazy... Haven't been to DL so serious question... Are the meet and greet lines, in general, at DL just as long as in WDW or shorter over all? Not just Anna/Elsa, I mean ALL meet and greets... I wonder cause I always felt Disney pushed meeting the characters in WDW as if it were a necessity and your trip/vacation wouldn't be complete if you didn't wait in line to meet a character... Do they promote DL the same way? Also could just be the clientele... More tourists in WDW mean longer M&G lines...

PirateLover;2426638 wrote:
:soapbox: As for the back and forth about negative posts, I just have to shake my head and wonder how many people criticizing have ever ventured over to ANY other disney board. The vast majority are filled with negative know-it-alls ready to bite your head off. Intercot is still by far the friendliest Disney site that I've ever come across. I've been an active poster here for over a decade now. If there is a particular poster that gets on your nerves so bad, there is an ignore feature. Otherwise, no one is making you read what they write. Skip his/her posts when you see them. As long as no one is being personally attacked or someone is a troll just out looking for trouble, there is nothing wrong with being critical. I for one love to hear multiple opinions on things and appreciate a good debate. Sadly it seems in this day and age society as a whole is becoming less and less tolerant of opposing view points, and many would rather go about their lives never having to deal with people who have differing opinions, and that's a shame. :soapbox:

The thing people need to understand, just because one is critical of management decisions, or decide to speak out about the condition of the parks, does not mean they are a negative person... Does not mean they are not a fan.. Does not mean they are not friendly... And, just because someone is absolutely positive about everything WDW, does not mean they are friendly... I have seen just as many positive people act vicious toward someone who may post something about WDW in not so great a light...

Someone who is no longer a member cause John took care of him quickly, sent me a PM after I posted something (and honestly, I even forget what it was about, but it didn't put WDW in a good light) telling me he wished I got cancer and died... On another board, a complete psycho decided to cyber stalk me, gaining access to my real name and the names of my family members, and sent me a PM taunting me... That person has since been banned on that other site (apparently, I wasn't the only one he did that too)... All because we didn't see 7DMT as an E ticket, or because we didn't think anything too special about the ride itself... That is something I would never do... I may not agree with everyone but I would never send a threatening PM...

PirateLover;2426638 wrote:

:soapbox: As for the back and forth about negative posts, I just have to shake my head and wonder how many people criticizing have ever ventured over to ANY other disney board. The vast majority are filled with negative know-it-alls ready to bite your head off. Intercot is still by far the friendliest Disney site that I've ever come across. I've been an active poster here for over a decade now. If there is a particular poster that gets on your nerves so bad, there is an ignore feature. Otherwise, no one is making you read what they write. Skip his/her posts when you see them. As long as no one is being personally attacked or someone is a troll just out looking for trouble, there is nothing wrong with being critical. I for one love to hear multiple opinions on things and appreciate a good debate. Sadly it seems in this day and age society as a whole is becoming less and less tolerant of opposing view points, and many would rather go about their lives never having to deal with people who have differing opinions, and that's a shame. :soapbox:

:soapbox: I would say that on a personal note, you don't know me enough to know how tolerant I am. I'm actually very liberal and open minded.
I do get what you are saying, by the same coin, I can express my opinion that there is quite a bit of negativity towards Disney in some posts. That *would* be my opinion on Disney. It's not as bad as some make it out to be with all the changes [again, my opinion].
And yes, I have been and do participate in other Disney boards and I hear that phrase a lot

EricJ;2426644 wrote: We know, or can at least cynically theorize, why the A&E lines are that long, but there's nothing in the world you can to do to "fix" Soarin's crowds.
Complain about FW all you like, but Soarin' still attracts guests because, like trying to get a breakfast reservation at Boma, It's That Good. :thumbsup:

There'll always be long lines for Soarin', just as there'll always be long lines for Toy Story Mania at DHS, and if you build more attractions, it'll attract attention, but it won't stop people from lining up for Soarin' or TSM. It'll give guests "other things to do", but guests will still see it as "Other things to ALSO do." They're not lining up for Soarin' because they were bored.
Did Seven Dwarves Mine Train "help" the A&E lines?

That is true. You could add 10 more things to FW but I'm still going to hit Soarin' every single time, because our group adores it!!

DizneyFreak2002;2426656 wrote:
The thing people need to understand, just because one is critical of management decisions, or decide to speak out about the condition of the parks, does not mean they are a negative person... Does not mean they are not a fan.. Does not mean they are not friendly... And, just because someone is absolutely positive about everything WDW, does not mean they are friendly... I have seen just as many positive people act vicious toward someone who may post something about WDW in not so great a light...

Someone who is no longer a member cause John took care of him quickly, sent me a PM after I posted something (and honestly, I even forget what it was about, but it didn't put WDW in a good light) telling me he wished I got cancer and died... On another board, a complete psycho decided to cyber stalk me, gaining access to my real name and the names of my family members, and sent me a PM taunting me... That person has since been banned on that other site (apparently, I wasn't the only one he did that too)... All because we didn't see 7DMT as an E ticket, or because we didn't think anything too special about the ride itself... That is something I would never do... I may not agree with everyone but I would never send a threatening PM...

Oh my goodness are you serious DizFreak? Now you and I may not agree all the time, but never once has it ever crossed my mind [on a personal level] that you were a terrible person and deserved death. Eeks. Who does that?????
I just like a healthy debate. Glad that person was taken care of!!!

Terra;2426665 wrote: That is true. You could add 10 more things to FW but I'm still going to hit Soarin' every single time, because our group adores it!!

If 10 more things were added to Future World, that would add capacity and help with the long crazy lines as Soarin.. Heck, adding that extra theater will help.. Which has been the point I have been trying to make.. Paper passes aren't going to work... it was a stupid idea... And that has been obvious with the failed tests... There are two options: 1) add capacity or 2) remove the thing causing the demand if you cannot add supply to alleviate the demand... We know they aren't going to remove Soarin... So what do they do to fix the line problem? They need to add capacity...

First, do something with Wonders of Life... Make a new pavilion with at least 1 E ticket... They could add in 2 other c tickets for all I care... But make it something guests would want to see... Fix UoE... Fix Imagination.. Fix them into must see attractions... They no longer are... Just doing that would help reduce Soarin wait times... That new theater would be the icing on the cake...

Oh my goodness are you serious DizFreak? Now you and I may not agree all the time, but never once has it ever crossed my mind [on a personal level] that you were a terrible person and deserved death. Eeks. Who does that?????
I just like a healthy debate. Glad that person was taken care of!!!

Yes, I am serious... I forget how long ago that happened... Think he had NINJA in his handle... Don't remember, don't recall... But yes... I do remember the handle of the guy on the other site, which I won't name on here for obvious reasons...

And thank you... The people who know me offline know I'm not a terrible person... And from reading your posts on here Terra, I can tell you aren't either... In fact, I don't think many people on here are terrible... If I did, I'd have flown the coup long ago, not engaging as I do.. Bringing news and rumors to the site for people to read and discuss, whether good or bad... :thumbsup:

DizneyFreak2002;2426673 wrote: If 10 more things were added to Future World, that would add capacity and help with the long crazy lines as Soarin.. Heck, adding that extra theater will help.. Which has been the point I have been trying to make.. Paper passes aren't going to work... it was a stupid idea... And that has been obvious with the failed tests... There are two options: 1) add capacity or 2) remove the thing causing the demand if you cannot add supply to alleviate the demand... We know they aren't going to remove Soarin... So what do they do to fix the line problem? They need to add capacity...

They don't, and can't, add attractions over night.

We've all heard the rumors of the added capacity for Soarin.

But guess what? That's months, or years, away.

This paper test was likely a "we need a quick and temporary fix" and not "we can do this instead of adding attractions."

Yankees fan. Forum legend.

DizneyFreak2002;2426656 wrote: It's crazy at WDW... Absolute crazy... Haven't been to DL so serious question... Are the meet and greet lines, in general, at DL just as long as in WDW or shorter over all? Not just Anna/Elsa, I mean ALL meet and greets... I wonder cause I always felt Disney pushed meeting the characters in WDW as if it were a necessity and your trip/vacation wouldn't be complete if you didn't wait in line to meet a character... Do they promote DL the same way? Also could just be the clientele... More tourists in WDW mean longer M&G lines...

I think the character lines were shorter than most. Besides less tourists, they seemed to have more characters in one location giving people more to choose from.

I think overall DL did a much better job with line management. Generally speaking, we found the CM's to be more adept at loading rides making the whole production run more efficiently, probably in part due to the lack of FP feed.

yankeesfan123;2426678 wrote: They don't, and can't, add attractions over night.

We've all heard the rumors of the added capacity for Soarin.

But guess what? That's months, or years, away.

This paper test was likely a "we need a quick and temporary fix" and not "we can do this instead of adding attractions."

Yankees fan. Forum legend.

They can built a DVC in a year, but an attraction takes them what, 10? They can build it fast, especially a clone, if they want to.. They don't.... again, TDO's fear of spending money...

And Soarin has been open for how long now? Lines and wait times for Soarin have been an issue for how long now? Capacity in Epcot has been a problem for how long now?

They could have built at least one more theater for Soarin by now... Again, points to morons running the theme park... If casual fans online can point out a problem, those brilliant people running the parks, you know, the ones with all that experience and know what they are doing, could have obviously seen it too... And if online fans know that adding more to Epcot or even just the theater YEARS AGO would help solve the problem, then the great TDO team, who apparently know what they are doing, should have figured that out that quick as well.. Not years later...

Soarin capacity issues aren't new... They should have and could have fixed it long ago... Neither are TSMM's capacity issues... Again, the fixes are easy... They are just allergic to writing checks to fix things the proper way...

Thank you for proving my point that TDO are, in fact, cheap morons...

DizneyFreak2002;2426689 wrote: They can built a DVC in a year, but an attraction takes them what, 10? They can build it fast, especially a clone, if they want to.. They don't.... again, TDO's fear of spending money...

And Soarin has been open for how long now? Lines and wait times for Soarin have been an issue for how long now? Capacity in Epcot has been a problem for how long now?

They could have built at least one more theater for Soarin by now... Again, points to morons running the theme park... If casual fans online can point out a problem, those brilliant people running the parks, you know, the ones with all that experience and know what they are doing, could have obviously seen it too... And if online fans know that adding more to Epcot or even just the theater YEARS AGO would help solve the problem, then the great TDO team, who apparently know what they are doing, should have figured that out that quick as well.. Not years later...

Soarin capacity issues aren't new... They should have and could have fixed it long ago... Neither are TSMM's capacity issues... Again, the fixes are easy... They are just allergic to writing checks to fix things the proper way...

Thank you for proving my point that TDO are, in fact, cheap morons...

FP, and the tiered system, has created new demand for Soarin.

If they were able to increase capacity, it's possible that they could get rid of the Tiering at that park.

 

DizneyFreak2002;2426673 wrote: If 10 more things were added to Future World, that would add capacity and help with the long crazy lines as Soarin.. Heck, adding that extra theater will help.. Which has been the point I have been trying to make.. Paper passes aren't going to work... it was a stupid idea... And that has been obvious with the failed tests... There are two options: 1) add capacity or 2) remove the thing causing the demand if you cannot add supply to alleviate the demand... We know they aren't going to remove Soarin... So what do they do to fix the line problem? They need to add capacity...

First, do something with Wonders of Life... Make a new pavilion with at least 1 E ticket... They could add in 2 other c tickets for all I care... But make it something guests would want to see... Fix UoE... Fix Imagination.. Fix them into must see attractions... They no longer are... Just doing that would help reduce Soarin wait times... That new theater would be the icing on the cake...
Yes, I am serious... I forget how long ago that happened... Think he had NINJA in his handle... Don't remember, don't recall... But yes... I do remember the handle of the guy on the other site, which I won't name on here for obvious reasons...

And thank you... The people who know me offline know I'm not a terrible person... And from reading your posts on here Terra, I can tell you aren't either... In fact, I don't think many people on here are terrible... If I did, I'd have flown the coup long ago, not engaging as I do.. Bringing news and rumors to the site for people to read and discuss, whether good or bad... :thumbsup:

Oh shush:secret: Never get rid of Soarin. Hehehe.
Wow, I am just floored that people are, well, crazy like that! That's when people don't know the difference between healthy conversation and down right stupidity!
For some reason, the handle sounds familiar but I must have missed the meanness. I'm so sorry!

Honestly, I know we would all have a blast if we could meet in real life! And THAT is the part of Intercot I agree on and love. We can debate in one thread but find fun and common ground in another!

On an off topic note as far as adding another theater to Soarin', love that idea. It does amaze me how much room Disney really does have to continually add.

DonaldDuck1117;2426506 wrote: Except people's budgets DO change when they are on a vacation. Maybe not you, or others on this board but people do over spend their budgets while on vacation. And the magic bands are proving that. Spending is up. They are doing what they were designed to do. Are they doing it at the rate Disney hoped for? No way. It took longer to develop them than they hoped, and it cost more than the had thought, but, they are finally seeing a return on investment. Now they hope that grows.

Going back to Iger, as I said before you can say the Resort is no where what it was like back in the day (funny how there are always people saying that and not just about the parks but about life in general) and you have valid points about certain things-I would love if the spent money to fill out AK and Studios-but Iger's job is not to worry solely about the parks, but the whole company. We all know how big the Disney empire is. It has grown under Iger, and the company has never been more profitable.

You can crtizise the job he has done with the parks and resorts wing of the company if you'd like, however, calling him a terrible CEO is a ridiculous statement.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I can speak for myself.

We went in May and had a set budget on spending money, I came home with more money in my pocket than I normally do.

I used my Magic Band on everything, but I was timid of spending too much and had a hard time keep track of how much I spent, so there were some things I just didn't buy. I spent a lot less than I thought I did.

Iger has done a lot of good for the Studios side of the business, but if you're an east coaster and only go to Disney World, I'd bet your opinion of Iger from a parks perceptive are like mine. They aren't good.

In my opinion their is a very big lack of imagination by the executives at TDO. The magic band and FP+ implementation was a big black eye for them, and honestly I havent forgot that.

They rolled out a system that is being used to turn their guest upside down to get every penny out of their pocket, while implementing it caused massive headaches for their guests, and they were so bad and so over budget that they put on hold actual real improvements to the parks.

If you planned a vacation for late last year or early this year, you probably understand the frustrations that came with it because of Disney's failures. My wife spent a collective 6 hours on the phone with Disney IT over numerous phones calls to fix issues with our reservations.

So from a WDW perspective, Iger is hands down a failure in my eyes.

Cheshire_Girl;2426483 wrote: I'm still waiting, with baited breath , for the answer to this question...
Clearly it has been many

So, you have never criticized ANYTHING you didnt have first hand experience with? Like, criticizing politics, government, restaurant food, cars, freeway traffic, etc?