Stand-by Fasspass tests????

yjgirl32;2426545 wrote: If people are so unhappy with Disney why do you(they) keep coming on a website for Disney. I get Disney is not perfect but neither is any other park. Some parks(most that I have been to) either make you wait in line or charge you for their version of fastpass. Maybe their idea didn't work, but they are trying. Maybe im just not a negative person.

Because some of us hope disney, who we all know monitors these and other boards, might get a clue. And that doesnt make anyone a negative person any more than it makes whole hearted supporters naive.

 

Terra;2426665 wrote: :soapbox: I would say that on a personal note, you don't know me enough to know how tolerant I am. I'm actually very liberal and open minded.

My comments were a general observation and certainly not directed at you, personally. You at least engage in debate. I was more referring to those who say "why are you even here since you hate Disney so much?"

And I do believe that If Epcot had 2 additional E-ticket attractions, it would certainly lessen the soarin line a bit. Of course you would still want to ride it, but maybe you would only ride it once. At Magic Kingdom, you have the 3 mountains and during busy season they are all long lines. We went during the summer two years in a row. One year Space mountain was under renovation and lines for splash and big thunder were even longer than the previous year. The line wouldn't completely disappear, but it would be somewhat alleviated. The only thing that will currently alleviate A&E line are more A&E meet and greets.
Apples and oranges to me.

Unfortunately this is going on in many big corporations now a days(does this term make me sound old ;) ) . They are more concerned with the ROI on new initiatives than they are with quality and happiness of customers and hopefully repeat customers. :(

I understand that as a business they need to be worried about ROI and the bottom line, but it seems to be too heavily swayed that way now.

Recently posted on Twitter:

"At 5:30 guests were near riot level refusing to leave and the CM's were threatening to all quit. Reopened standby - made return holders mad."

"Second day, orders came down to "stick to the plan" and the queue closed again around 5pm. At 6:40 CMs began walking off refusing to work."

Oh how magical WDW has become!!!!!!!! Guess TDO really knows what they are doing when CMs are this close to walking off the jobs since their managers are, you know so experiences running theme parks... LOL...

Terra;2426716 wrote: Honestly, I know we would all have a blast if we could meet in real life! And THAT is the part of Intercot I agree on and love. We can debate in one thread but find fun and common ground in another!

We probably would have fun... Especially when I am in Orlando... I tend to come out of my shell when I am not in my home town or even state...

Kenny1113;2426771 wrote: Unfortunately this is going on in many big corporations now a days(does this term make me sound old ;) ) . They are more concerned with the ROI on new initiatives than they are with quality and happiness of customers and hopefully repeat customers. :(

I understand that as a business they need to be worried about ROI and the bottom line, but it seems to be too heavily swayed that way now.

Well that is until profits go down the drain along with customer satisfaction. That is when the CEO and upper level management resign......shortly after receiving that very last fat bonus check.

We can all debate this to death but I can tell you this.....I have two different friends who have tolerated my rambles about how great WDW is for years and of course they both picked this year to be the first year they finally take the plunge and go. Both came back disgusted and said it was the worst, most aggravating, most expensive vacation they have ever gone on and will never return. All I could do was throw my arms up and say well I don't have a trip planned any time in the future as of now for the very same things.....I guess you missed the bus.

This thread started as a post about Disney giving out Fastpass tickets for standby lines M&G and singalongs. Somewhere between the crying and whining, attractions was thrown into it. You people need to chill the heck out! Disney will never add fp to standby lines for rides. All this is is a temporary fix for something they didnt see coming. They knew it'd bring the crowds but not for 3 hour waits. So this is their way of fixing it until it passes. Its not disneys fault.

Its the fault of the parents who are afraid to say no to little Jimmy or Susie because they will throw a tantrum that the parents cant discipline. Who in their right mind wohld wait an hour for any character. As a kid, my kid would spend thousands to bring us every year to Disney to see the parks, rides, and what time would allow us to see. If I wanted to see something that had a three hour wait, my dad would say no. Too long, not here to stand in line for hours to see some ridiculous character. Yeah I'd be upset, but you move on. Shrug your shoulders and say sorry little Joey, but we arent here to wait that long just for one M&G.

The people are the problem!!! Remember, just say no. Your kid will live to see another disney day.

kbean;2426835 wrote: This thread started as a post about Disney giving out Fastpass tickets for standby lines M&G and singalongs. Somewhere between the crying and whining, attractions was thrown into it. You people need to chill the heck out! Disney will never add fp to standby lines for rides. All this is is a temporary fix for something they didnt see coming. They knew it'd bring the crowds but not for 3 hour waits. So this is their way of fixing it until it passes. Its not disneys fault.

Its the fault of the parents who are afraid to say no to little Jimmy or Susie because they will throw a tantrum that the parents cant discipline. Who in their right mind wohld wait an hour for any character. As a kid, my kid would spend thousands to bring us every year to Disney to see the parks, rides, and what time would allow us to see. If I wanted to see something that had a three hour wait, my dad would say no. Too long, not here to stand in line for hours to see some ridiculous character. Yeah I'd be upset, but you move on. Shrug your shoulders and say sorry little Joey, but we arent here to wait that long just for one M&G.

The people are the problem!!! Remember, just say no. Your kid will live to see another disney day.

"Crying and whining.". Stay classy.

kbean;2426835 wrote: Disney will never add fp to standby lines for rides. All this is is a temporary fix for something they didnt see coming.

:confused: But they are trying it out for Soarin' as well. How can you say they will never do it when they are, at this very moment, doing that exact thing? :confused:

Okay, I just got though all 5 pages of this post - I had been reading, and then stopped, and now just got caught up.

Yes, there are some very negative people in the world. Yes, there are some very positive people in the world. I try to be a mixture, but at times fail to either end.

Do I want Intercot to be all "Mary Poppins"? No, not really, so, it is good at times to see things though the "regular" glasses. If you look at my member number, you can tell I have been around for a LONG time, but I do not post a whole whole bunch.

When I do post - it is to help someone out, or to ask a question. But, at times, I do just give my personal opinion on something, and this is one of them.

I went to WDW in June. I am one that usually went over Christmas (Dec 19th to Jan 2nd), so I know about crowds and long lines. In June of 2014 I experienced lines longer than I cared to wait in, so I did not. Did I complain? Yes, but to the people that counted. I wrote a letter to the corporation. Perhaps other people have also done this. Why do I think this?

WDW is trying out a fix. As an adult, do you ever try something and discover that either it did work (you keep on doing it) or it did not work (you stop doing it).

If it did not work, then you probably try something else.

In the corporate IT world, they have beta testing that the whole corporation might not see. At WDW, they do not have this luxury.

So, although I might not like what they are doing, at least they ARE trying at the moment.
If I don't like what they are trying, I might come to a place like Intercot and see what others think - maybe I am the only one that does not like it. If I am not, then I will once again take pen and paper in hand (okay, Microsoft Word and printer), and let WDW know what I think.

If you have a complaint, then offer up a solution. I am currently a teacher, and I tell my kids all the time, if you don't like something, then before you complain to me, you better have a solution to offer also. I might not "use" their solution, but hopefully I am teaching them something in the process.

So, to make a long reply short:

WDW, I do not like your FP+. I do not like your paper solution. My solution is to perhaps, look at what you had before that WAS somewhat successful, and look at how that worked, and see what you can do to get back to the "work-ability" of that. Please let us (the paying public), know what you are doing, so that we can know you are working to a solution. Communication here is the big thing.

Now, as a moderator, please, remember that we are a family, and that family might argue, but we do not call names, or hit below the belt - in fact, we don't hit at all. We let people have their opinion, and we respect it for what it is, an opinion.

I know return you to your topic....

Yes, let's just remember that this is/was a test to attempt to fix an issue. That's all it was.

I think for those of you who are outraged over this should either do one of two things or both. Write letters to the appropriate people so your voice is at least heard or just stop going. I just don't understand all the ranting and insisting that your opinion is the right and the only true fact. A good discussion should be able to be heard from both sides and not just tell everyone else they are wrong.

The topic of capacity has come up often. This is how I view this issue.
MK: Just had completed New Fantasyland to specifically address capacity. Did it do enough maybe not but it was a major expansion.

EPCOT: Desperately needs increase in capacity. In all honestly they could even get away with leaving World Showcase alone and just fixing up/adding in Future World.

DHS: Again needs a capacity increase. I have a 10 day trip coming up and only plan on 1.5 days there. I hope the rumored major Star Wars expansion is what will happen.

AK: This park has capacity issues as well, but with the Avatar expansion and the new night time show, plus Kilimanjaro night experiences. It seems to me that this is being addressed.

That being said I do think that in the last 5 years TDO has seemed to slow the attraction growth process down. I'm sure the economy has something do with it 5 years ago. But if their profits are increasing I think it is fair to expect TDO to go back to building attractions at much quicker than they have been recently.

Imalismom;2426867 wrote: Okay, I just got though all 5 pages of this post - I had been reading, and then stopped, and now just got caught up.

Yes, there are some very negative people in the world. Yes, there are some very positive people in the world. I try to be a mixture, but at times fail to either end.

Do I want Intercot to be all "Mary Poppins"? No, not really, so, it is good at times to see things though the "regular" glasses. If you look at my member number, you can tell I have been around for a LONG time, but I do not post a whole whole bunch.

When I do post - it is to help someone out, or to ask a question. But, at times, I do just give my personal opinion on something, and this is one of them.

I went to WDW in June. I am one that usually went over Christmas (Dec 19th to Jan 2nd), so I know about crowds and long lines. In June of 2014 I experienced lines longer than I cared to wait in, so I did not. Did I complain? Yes, but to the people that counted. I wrote a letter to the corporation. Perhaps other people have also done this. Why do I think this?

WDW is trying out a fix. As an adult, do you ever try something and discover that either it did work (you keep on doing it) or it did not work (you stop doing it).

If it did not work, then you probably try something else.

In the corporate IT world, they have beta testing that the whole corporation might not see. At WDW, they do not have this luxury.

So, although I might not like what they are doing, at least they ARE trying at the moment.
If I don't like what they are trying, I might come to a place like Intercot and see what others think - maybe I am the only one that does not like it. If I am not, then I will once again take pen and paper in hand (okay, Microsoft Word and printer), and let WDW know what I think.

If you have a complaint, then offer up a solution. I am currently a teacher, and I tell my kids all the time, if you don't like something, then before you complain to me, you better have a solution to offer also. I might not "use" their solution, but hopefully I am teaching them something in the process.

So, to make a long reply short:

WDW, I do not like your FP+. I do not like your paper solution. My solution is to perhaps, look at what you had before that WAS somewhat successful, and look at how that worked, and see what you can do to get back to the "work-ability" of that. Please let us (the paying public), know what you are doing, so that we can know you are working to a solution. Communication here is the big thing.

Now, as a moderator, please, remember that we are a family, and that family might argue, but we do not call names, or hit below the belt - in fact, we don't hit at all. We let people have their opinion, and we respect it for what it is, an opinion.

I know return you to your topic....

OFF TOPIC REPLY: I loved your response. You remind me of all the good teachers I had growing up. (I wish there were more like you today.)

ransam;2425729 wrote: I really have no idea why some on here post, when all you write is negative, and you know who you are. I LOVE Disney, and I come here because of that, why you post so often I have no idea, except maybe you work for Universal, but other than that, no idea.

Here's a concept: It's possible to LOVE Disney without loving every new thing they try. Is there ANY Disney fan on earth who wants every moment of their Disney Park day to be dictated by a grid of FPs and ADRs? Did you hear the one about what did the guy do after spending a week at WDW? He went on vacation.

seanyred;2426876 wrote: I think for those of you who are outraged over this should either do one of two things or both. Write letters to the appropriate people so your voice is at least heard or just stop going. I just don't understand all the ranting and insisting that your opinion is the right and the only true fact. A good discussion should be able to be heard from both sides and not just tell everyone else they are wrong.
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What makes you think that people havent done both of those???? Ive written and called....and i have refused to go back.

describing our legitmated complaints as "ranting and raving" is a tad insulting, dont you think....unless you have a different definition of the generally accepted definiton of rant and rave.