Smoking, Ice and Strollers

BriarRose0708;2521664 wrote: I am, however, VERY happy this includes vaping and e-cigarettes! Yes people have the right to vape, and that's fine, but they don't have the right to vape in my face everywhere just because it's not a traditional cigarette.

Believe me, Nikki, I am not trying to 'stir the pot,' BUT (Yes, I'm stirring the pot! LOL) you could say the same thing about people who overindulge in adult beverages. They have the right to overindulge, but not in a place with numerous children or when it interferes with my (the 'royal' "my") enjoyment of the parks. So, in that respect, all alcohol should be banned from the parks.

I am a combination smoker/vaper, so I see your point about vaping/e-cigarettes and agree with you whole-heartedly. Too many vapers/e-gig users think they are "above the law" when it comes to smoking areas/regulations in public places. [See CrashOverride above!]

PopPhan;2521668 wrote: Believe me, Nikki, I am not trying to 'stir the pot,' BUT (Yes, I'm stirring the pot! LOL) you could say the same thing about people who overindulge in adult beverages. They have the right to overindulge, but not in a place with numerous children or when it interferes with my (the 'royal' "my") enjoyment of the parks. So, in that respect, all alcohol should be banned from the parks.

I am a combination smoker/vaper, so I see your point about vaping/e-cigarettes and agree with you whole-heartedly. Too many vapers/e-gig users think they are "above the law" when it comes to smoking areas/regulations in public places. [See CrashOverride above!]

Oh no worries, I agree with you! It seems like Disney can better enforce this than the intoxicated guests, and unfortunately I think it would be different if they sold cigarettes in the parks. But they don't, so as long as they make money on the over-indulging adult, this will continue to be an issue as well.

Sorry to take the OP OT. I guess the long and short of it is, it's Disney. So, anything they can do to promote a friendlier environment, they will do. And since vaping is still seen as the equivalent of smoking, by those who haven't been properly educated, it falls under the same guidelines

But lemme ask you this, if vape was colored, do you still think it would be banned? I think not, as the connotation would shift to something more playful, rather than anything nic related. Its all about optics

BriarRose0708;2521669 wrote: I think it would be different if they sold cigarettes in the parks.

In that Walt was a smoker, there are times I really wonder why they don't. LOL I actually do believe they are still sold in the resorts....I guess that's next....

PopPhan;2521672 wrote: In that Walt was a smoker, there are times I really wonder why they don't. LOL I actually do believe they are still sold in the resorts....I guess that's next....

He was a smoker and died of lung cancer. Probably not something they want to encourage.

And while I can see how this will be hard for people that do smoke I, for one, am glad that I'm not going to need to walk through clouds of smoke or 'vape'.

And my sister does smoking education. There have been no studies that say that vape is safe - it might not have the same issues as the tars from traditional cigarettes, however the things that are in them may be approved for consumption, that doesn't mean they're okay in your lungs. 'Popcorn lung' is a thing associated with vaping.

NewDVCowner;2521673 wrote: He was a smoker and died of lung cancer. Probably not something they want to encourage.

And while I can see how this will be hard for people that do smoke I, for one, am glad that I'm not going to need to walk through clouds of smoke or 'vape'.

And my sister does smoking education. There have been no studies that say that vape is safe - it might not have the same issues as the tars from traditional cigarettes, however the things that are in them may be approved for consumption, that doesn't mean they're okay in your lungs. 'Popcorn lung' is a thing associated with vaping.

No one said vaping was safe. Ofc, anything other than oxygen is bad for you. I said "safer", by far. And I know what's in my vape, so I don't need a study to tell me that [emoji869] I can understand your argument about not wanting to walk through clouds of vape. Again, I agree. But as I stated above, it's all about optics. If a Disney character happens to blow a plume of colored vapor from his mouth at the time that you walked by, you may be a bit annoyed, but you wouldn't be concerned. Now, ofc there aren't any characters that do that, just using it as an example. Its all about optics. If you walked through a vape cloud, you would not only be annoyed, but you would assume some type of health risk was being imposed upon you as well. Due to the optics and misinformation, vape is included in the ban, which I FULLY understand. It just irks me when people try to make vape sound like another hazard, rather than what it was meant for. And that's as a smoking cessation tool. And for the record, there are plenty of juices without diacetyl in it or nicotine, just in case you actually believe that harvard study. Both of which I use. Not to mention the PPM required for second hand to be hazardous is on an industrial level, and certainly not something you would get by passing through a cloud or standing next to someone who is vaping. Also, for the record, there hasn't been any cases proving the correlation between the two, just that further studies are required. Why do vapers feel like they are "above the law" you ask? Because of the reasons the laws were written in the first place. And most of them were combustion and PROVEN second hand health related. And since there is no source of combustion or any proven results, it is rather unfair to blindly group vaping in with smoking. I am happy your sister does cigarette education. You may want her to look into vape as well

So the people who drink to excess and fall all over my kids at night at Epcot can still drink but THE PERSON WHO SMOKES IN THE CORNER AWAY FROM EVERYONE IS BEING PUNISHED. I do not smoke or drink but it doesn't seem fair.

PopPhan;2521668 wrote:
I am a combination smoker/vaper, so I see your point about vaping/e-cigarettes and agree with you whole-heartedly. Too many vapers/e-gig users think they are "above the law" when it comes to smoking areas/regulations in public places. [See CrashOverride above!]

Lol. You're awesome.

BIGDOG;2521676 wrote: So the people who drink to excess and fall all over my kids at night at Epcot can still drink but THE PERSON WHO SMOKES IN THE CORNER AWAY FROM EVERYONE IS BEING PUNISHED. I do not smoke or drink but it doesn't seem fair.

Disney makes money on the alcohol... and allowing Epcot to becomes Drunkytown USA.... Now, don't kid yourself... If people started a SMOKING AROUND THE WORLD challenge in World Showcase, and Disney was able to profit from it, you betcha smoking would be allowed all over... But, since they don't profit from it, nope, smoking not allowed...

I'm a non-smoker and welcome smoke free everything cause that smell is gross, and I shouldn't be subjected to it... With that said, the smoking areas weren't an issue and don't need to be removed... They are off the beaten path and the only way one would smell the smoke is to be in the area... I don't see this lasting very long...

The strollers on the other hand... ban them all!!!! joking.... I'm all for limiting the size...

CrashOverride;2521659 wrote: I'd be interested in knowing if that applies to vaping as well. I know most ignorant folks lump them both together.

I am far from ignorant. I don't necessarily lump them together but they fall into the same category which is exhaled fumes from something which I do not desire to be subject to at any time. From my point of view, the ignorance falls on the other side, those that are inconsiderate enough to think that since it isn't a cigarette and actual smoke, it is acceptable to use them an exhale the fumes in public spaces. I don't even allow them to be used in my home because I do not want to smell it or have to breathe whatever is in the concoction. For the record, most of them stink. I know some of you vapers think that your blue-raspberry cotton candy delight smells awesome but to many of us it is disgusting.

PopPhan;2521662 wrote: Vaping is included with smoking in ALL cases. You cannot, currently, vape outside of Designated Smoking Areas, and when this policy goes into effect, you cannot vape inside the park(s) gates at all.

Exhaled vapors from vaping contain nicotine. and therefore falls into the same category as smoking.

And people who do not agree with you are NOT ignorant.

Exactly, and furthermore, we have no idea or no way of knowing what some of these morons are putting in their vaping devices. Some have nicotine, some have THC from pot, some have even been found to have meth or heroine mixed into them. So yeah, I don't want someone puffing on one of those things around me.

CrashOverride;2521665 wrote: Not all vape has nic, and it hasn't even been proven if vaping with nic, in an enclosed environment, is harmful. They just jump on the ignorant train...

It hasn't been proven that it is NOT harmful either. The burden of proof should fall on proving it is not harmful, not the other way around. You may not be up on your cigarette history, but early on, it was not proven that they were harmful either. It wasn't until decades later when all the wide spread lung cancer cases started showing up in smokers did they realize it was harmful.

CrashOverride;2521666 wrote: And for the record, nicotine is actually more commonly used than you think. Second hand smoke is filled with carcinogens. Vape, at best, has a little residual nic. But you keep putting it in the same category as smoking [emoji108]

CrashOverride;2521670 wrote: Sorry to take the OP OT. I guess the long and short of it is, it's Disney. So, anything they can do to promote a friendlier environment, they will do. And since vaping is still seen as the equivalent of smoking, by those who haven't been properly educated, it falls under the same guidelines

I know you think you know what is in your vape. However, you don't have a full disclosure of scientific results where your vape has been tested showing exactly what it contains. At some point, it will most likely become a requirement that retail vaping products be tested and a full disclosure label of contents be listed by percentages. I will almost guarantee you that when that day comes, a lot of you are going to be shocked at what all you have been sucking into your lungs. There are most likely going to be some preservatives of some sort, a few chemical binders, compounds for the flavors and a few other fun things and then the interesting part is going to be how all of those are interacting when heated by the vaping device and then metabolized in your lung and then what happens with those compounds in your blood stream. You are smart enough to realize that those compounds are entering your blood stream because that is what your lungs do right? So are they forming crystalline compound structures that are building up in your arteries or collecting on your hear valves or even worse penetrating into heart tissue and hardening the valves or muscle which could result in heart failure 20 or 30 years down the road? The answer is you do not know. You have absolutely no idea because their is no history yet and there is no required testing results or labels to give you the knowledge. I went through all of that so I could then give you the definition of ignorance......which is the lack of knowledge.

CrashOverride;2521674 wrote: No one said vaping was safe. Ofc, anything other than oxygen is bad for you. I said "safer", by far. And I know what's in my vape, so I don't need a study to tell me that [emoji869] I can understand your argument about not wanting to walk through clouds of vape. Again, I agree. But as I stated above, it's all about optics. If a Disney character happens to blow a plume of colored vapor from his mouth at the time that you walked by, you may be a bit annoyed, but you wouldn't be concerned. Now, ofc there aren't any characters that do that, just using it as an example. Its all about optics. If you walked through a vape cloud, you would not only be annoyed, but you would assume some type of health risk was being imposed upon you as well. Due to the optics and misinformation, vape is included in the ban, which I FULLY understand. It just irks me when people try to make vape sound like another hazard, rather than what it was meant for. And that's as a smoking cessation tool. And for the record, there are plenty of juices without diacetyl in it or nicotine, just in case you actually believe that harvard study. Both of which I use. Not to mention the PPM required for second hand to be hazardous is on an industrial level, and certainly not something you would get by passing through a cloud or standing next to someone who is vaping. Also, for the record, there hasn't been any cases proving the correlation between the two, just that further studies are required. Why do vapers feel like they are "above the law" you ask? Because of the reasons the laws were written in the first place. And most of them were combustion and PROVEN second hand health related. And since there is no source of combustion or any proven results, it is rather unfair to blindly group vaping in with smoking. I am happy your sister does cigarette education. You may want her to look into vape as well

I still don't want to smell your stinking vape. It is inconsiderate, rude and just plain disrespectful to others to think that you have some right to subject us to it.

DizneyFreak2002;2521691 wrote: Disney makes money on the alcohol... and allowing Epcot to becomes Drunkytown USA.... Now, don't kid yourself... If people started a SMOKING AROUND THE WORLD challenge in World Showcase, and Disney was able to profit from it, you betcha smoking would be allowed all over... But, since they don't profit from it, nope, smoking not allowed...

I'm a non-smoker and welcome smoke free everything cause that smell is gross, and I shouldn't be subjected to it... With that said, the smoking areas weren't an issue and don't need to be removed... They are off the beaten path and the only way one would smell the smoke is to be in the area... I don't see this lasting very long...

The strollers on the other hand... ban them all!!!! joking.... I'm all for limiting the size...

Exactly. I agree, the full ban on smoking is probably going to fail miserably. Smokers are going to smoke so which is worse, dedicated smoking areas or most of them sneaking around corners or going in bathroom stalls and smoking? Heck, I can already see them going in the single stall family restrooms and smoking.

As for the new stroller requirements, I have been advocating for that policy for years. Nothing is more irritating than the people that bring those great big strollers with the huge wheels on the buses. I can't imagine why anyone would even want to battle through crowds with one of those things. We learned quickly when we had small children that the small, foldable umbrella type strollers were the way to go.

1DisneyNut;2521699 wrote: I am far from ignorant. I don't necessarily lump them together but they fall into the same category which is exhaled fumes from something which I do not desire to be subject to at any time. From my point of view, the ignorance falls on the other side, those that are inconsiderate enough to think that since it isn't a cigarette and actual smoke, it is acceptable to use them an exhale the fumes in public spaces. I don't even allow them to be used in my home because I do not want to smell it or have to breathe whatever is in the concoction. For the record, most of them stink. I know some of you vapers think that your blue-raspberry cotton candy delight smells awesome but to many of us it is disgusting.

Exactly, and furthermore, we have no idea or no way of knowing what some of these morons are putting in their vaping devices. Some have nicotine, some have THC from pot, some have even been found to have meth or heroine mixed into them. So yeah, I don't want someone puffing on one of those things around me.

It hasn't been proven that it is NOT harmful either. The burden of proof should fall on proving it is not harmful, not the other way around. You may not be up on your cigarette history, but early on, it was not proven that they were harmful either. It wasn't until decades later when all the wide spread lung cancer cases started showing up in smokers did they realize it was harmful.

I know you think you know what is in your vape. However, you don't have a full disclosure of scientific results where your vape has been tested showing exactly what it contains. At some point, it will most likely become a requirement that retail vaping products be tested and a full disclosure label of contents be listed by percentages. I will almost guarantee you that when that day comes, a lot of you are going to be shocked at what all you have been sucking into your lungs. There are most likely going to be some preservatives of some sort, a few chemical binders, compounds for the flavors and a few other fun things and then the interesting part is going to be how all of those are interacting when heated by the vaping device and then metabolized in your lung and then what happens with those compounds in your blood stream. You are smart enough to realize that those compounds are entering your blood stream because that is what your lungs do right? So are they forming crystalline compound structures that are building up in your arteries or collecting on your hear valves or even worse penetrating into heart tissue and hardening the valves or muscle which could result in heart failure 20 or 30 years down the road? The answer is you do not know. You have absolutely no idea because their is no history yet and there is no required testing results or labels to give you the knowledge. I went through all of that so I could then give you the definition of ignorance......which is the lack of knowledge.

I still don't want to smell your stinking vape. It is inconsiderate, rude and just plain disrespectful to others to think that you have some right to subject us to it.

Exactly. I agree, the full ban on smoking is probably going to fail miserably. Smokers are going to smoke so which is worse, dedicated smoking areas or most of them sneaking around corners or going in bathroom stalls and smoking? Heck, I can already see them going in the single stall family restrooms and smoking.

As for the new stroller requirements, I have been advocating for that policy for years. Nothing is more irritating than the people that bring those great big strollers with the huge wheels on the buses. I can't imagine why anyone would even want to battle through crowds with one of those things. We learned quickly when we had small children that the small, foldable umbrella type strollers were the way to go.

Wow, biased much [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Not even gonna pick all that apart, you obviously already have your mind made up. But for the record, i have felt my health get better since switching to vape. Again, yall are stuck on trying to prove how bad vape is, or at the very least impose a question upon it. I don't need 50 years of lab tests to tell me I am healthi "er". And to be honest, you would be the first person to say that smelling cotton candy is as gross as a cigarette, but wtf ever [emoji108]Its my God given right to vape whatever the F I want, where I want. Just as its your right to move if you find it offensive. Obviously, that's different if you're in a line. That's where consideration for the ignorant comes into play. Again, if a Disney character was blowing a plume of colored smoke, it wouldn't phase you a bit. But not those bad vaper people. Shame on them for trying to make themselves healthier. You sound like a tobacco lobbyist [emoji23] And for the record, y'all talk like your cooped up in a room for extended periods of time or some craziness and not in a WIDE OPEN OUTDOOR area. You might as well start B itchn at cars that drive by you with bad exhaust. Cuz you got a better chance of catching something from that than you do from passing through a vape cloud. LMMFAO. And that remark about the heroin just completely discredited your whole argument. So, because you read a story that some guy in some backwoods decided to try and add meth to his vape, now all of a sudden everyone is doing that. Or at least, some question should be given to all vapes, now. GTFO with that nonsense. I guess its cool though. you got no problem with drunk idiots ruining your day, cuz Disney says thats "ok". And btw, quite a few things that exhale fumes that you walk by every day. Should those be lumped in with smoking as well? [emoji848]

dang. it hurts to be called ignorant, thanks crashOverride

candace flynn;2521708 wrote: dang. it hurts to be called ignorant, thanks crashOverride

Well, this all stemmed from the original statement made by another individual, stating that because vaping has nicotine in it, that is why it is lumped in with smoking. First off, there are plenty of vapes that don't have nicotine in them. I, for one, am using said product as we speak. secondly, you do realize that nicotine is commonly found in a lot of foods as well, right? So, does that mean when I make an eggplant Parmesan, I'm cooking with a smoking product?

Let me be clear, I am in no way saying that vaping is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Just that it is a healthi"er" alternative to smoking, without the major health hazards caused by cigarettes. This includes the second hand side of things. I am not saying that in 50 years, they may find some harmful affects from vaping. But regardless of what they are, they would be A LOT less harmful than a cigarette. I may not know every little thing that goes into my vape( even though the site I buy it from has certified lab results) I am positive they are not putting formaldehyde or many of the other 1000's of toxic ingredients in a cigarette. So, yeah, I get a bit miffed when people compare vape to a cigarette. A simple answer to my original question could've been," yes, vape is included as it is still considered offensive to some guests", and I would have completely accepted that. That's not ignorant, the original answer was