Smoking, Ice and Strollers

This is from a moderator - you will notice that a LOT of messages are gone. Why? This is a family forum, and as such, language is moderated. Others were deleted due to referencing the deleted message.

Please keep this site family friendly.

I will try to be clear as well. I don't think anyone here or many people anywhere would argue with you about vaping being less harmful and a healthier alternative to cigarettes. The problem we have is the attitude some people that vape seem to have. You stated in a previous post that you have a "right" to vape when and wherever you want. Well, you don't. We have the right to not be exposed to your vaping in public spaces. We aren't equating vaping to smoking but the two are comparable in the fact that they are both inhaled by a user, exhaled and then inhaled by bystanders who do not want the exposure. Therefore, vaping fits right in with laws, rules and statutes we have regarding smoking. Rather than go through the hassle of creating brand new laws and rules specifically for vaping, it is easier to just roll it right into the existing laws for smoking. That is where the two end up lumped together.

We would not have had to push for vaping being included in existing smoking bans if it wasn't for those that have the attitude like you that they can vape whenever and wherever they want with blatant disregard for others. Just wait, there will probably be a push in the future to pile some substantial taxes on to vaping supplies to curb their use if things keep going like they have.

You mentioned you have lab results from the manufacturer of the vaping products you buy showing what they contain. A couple of things about that......I don't know how old you are but there has been plenty of news stories, documentaries, and papers written about how the tobacco industry intentionally released false information including inaccurate scientific data trying to say smoking was not harmful to protect their sales. We all know how that has turned out. So who is to say that vaping product manufacturers aren't slanting, omitting or misleading users? Another thing to consider is by looking at the information they are actually giving you, do you know how those chemicals and other ingredients are metabolizing in your system? Are they crystallizing in your lungs? When they enter your blood stream are they creating compounds and crystallizing and attaching to your artery walls, heart valves or in your heart muscle tissue? The answer is you have no idea because there is no data available and the manufacturer sure as heck wouldn't tell you if they did know. All of that is exactly why the rest of us, who are apparently ignorant in your eyes, do not want to be breathing your second hand vape.

Yup. Truth hurts...peace [emoji869]

Can we re-focus this discussion? No matter how each one of us may feel about smoking and/or vaping, it is fact that Disney has banned these within the parks. In the spirit of encouraging open, and respectful discussion, let's refrain from attacking each other, or being otherwise nasty.

Since it is unlikely that anyone will change their views on smoking/vaping, let's get back to discussing how this may impact Disney, and how you visit & enjoy the parks. For me, my in-laws were smokers, and they would find it hard to not smoke all day, so time for them to leave the park would have been required, which might have made things just a bit more challenging.

That loose ice ban has me confused. :mickey:

missymouseworld;2521720 wrote: That loose ice ban has me confused. :mickey:

Ikr, unless they were getting spilled and causing slips and falls. But you can go get ice from a restaurant which could still potentially create the slip and fall situation. Perhaps it was causing issues at the security checkpoint?

1DisneyNut;2521699 wrote: Exactly. I agree, the full ban on smoking is probably going to fail miserably. Smokers are going to smoke so which is worse, dedicated smoking areas or most of them sneaking around corners or going in bathroom stalls and smoking? Heck, I can already see them going in the single stall family restrooms and smoking.

I wasn't even thinking along these lines... I was thinking more along the lines of people who haven't had their nicotine fix, in the summer heat, with crying kids, large crowds, getting irate even more than they already are cause they haven't gotten their hit.... going to Guest Services and ranting up a major storm.... I sense a lot of fast passes or free dinners to Victoria and Albert's will be handled out on a daily basis...

Cinderelley;2521723 wrote: Ikr, unless they were getting spilled and causing slips and falls. But you can go get ice from a restaurant which could still potentially create the slip and fall situation. Perhaps it was causing issues at the security checkpoint?

People can put stuff in ice cubes...

DizneyFreak2002;2521725 wrote: People can put stuff in ice cubes...

I didn't think of that. I was so confused at why they would ban ice, but then encourage you to get ice from a restaurant if you need it.

ibelieveindisneymagic;2521728 wrote: I didn't think of that. I was so confused at why they would ban ice, but then encourage you to get ice from a restaurant if you need it.

I know it is weird thinking like that, but I don't put anything past anyone... And even with this ice ban, if people wanted to really sneak something into the parks, they will find a way...

Now, how about conspiracy theory.... Disney is going to charge for ice...

Further conspiracy... Disney will start banning all outside strollers forcing you to rent theirs only...

Even bigger conspiracy.... Smoking banned until Disney can find a way to make money off smoking... Like the International Smokers and Nicotine Addicts Festival!!!!! Buy cigarettes from all around the world, at mark up prices....

People will bury things under the ice and security has to search the cooler, digging through it all. Saw on another posting somewhere that someone had packed a 6-pack of beer under all the loose ice and security basically had to dump it all to find the beer. Bagged ice and cooler packs/ice packs are fine though.

CrashOverride;2521671 wrote: But lemme ask you this, if vape was colored, do you still think it would be banned? I think not, as the connotation would shift to something more playful, rather than anything nic related. Its all about optics

Then they'd sell Disney vapes

PopPhan;2521672 wrote: In that Walt was a smoker, there are times I really wonder why they don't. LOL I actually do believe they are still sold in the resorts....I guess that's next....

I know you can get cigars at the resorts. Course, way overpriced (and dry) and its best to bring your own. So I bet they have cigarettes, though probably a limited selection.

I just bring my redman to the park. Need some nicotine after dealing w/ the public for too long in one. day. I am excited, if they enforce it, to reduce those land cruiser strollers. They need a licensing test for those w/ strollers and the scooters.

texas211;2521742 wrote: I am excited, if they enforce it, to reduce those land cruiser strollers. They need a licensing test for those w/ strollers and the scooters.

Ha! They need a licensing test before people can have kids.

PopPhan;2521734 wrote: People will bury things under the ice and security has to search the cooler, digging through it all. Saw on another posting somewhere that someone had packed a 6-pack of beer under all the loose ice and security basically had to dump it all to find the beer. Bagged ice and cooler packs/ice packs are fine though.

You could put stuff in bagged ice too though. I am sure you can also put stuff in ice packs if you really wanted to. I'm just not motivated enough to figure out how to do it.
I wonder how security knew to dig through the ice and find the beer.

DizneyFreak2002;2521730 wrote: .... Smoking banned until Disney can find a way to make money off smoking... Like the International Smokers and Nicotine Addicts Festival!!!!! Buy cigarettes from all around the world, at mark up prices....

Maybe some wine & beer pairings with those cigs?:wine: And don't forget thr kiddos - free candy cigarettes so they can participate as well!:joy: Might even have roaming interactive ash trays too. Remember PUSH?:woohoo: