The Flash & Gotham ..how popular are they in the USA ?

I find Edward Nygma (soon to be the Riddler) to be an interesting character, but not quite where I would have gone with the character. I am quite enjoying his storyline, though.

Selina Kyle/Cat is an underused character at this point, but I believe they chose a young woman who will fit the bill quite well. It doesn't hurt that she looks like a young Michelle Pfeiffer either.

Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin is an amazing character on this show. Dark, twisted and utterly vile, yet doing everything he can to try to get into Gordon's good graces.

Bullock is played well be Donal Logue. Much as I would have imagined the character in real life. Another good casting move.

Bruce Wayne, even as a young man, seems to be a bit stuffier than portrayed even in the Frank Miller versions of the story. Will need to see the characters growth.

Alfred Pennyworth is the ultimate butler/manservant. Showing that he has a military background that comes out only when absolutely necessary and that he is not only a caretaker for the young Bruce, but actually cares for and about him brings him out of the supporting character role more into the spotlight.

The mobsters (Falcone and Maroni)/Fish Mooney storyline is kind of a throwaway, but binds the show together from week to week, keeping it from getting into the 'villain of the week' mode as they build on the "traditional" characters. Yes, I know the mobster storyline is part of the Gotham/Batman mythos, but it isn't flowing as well as it could.

Barbara Kean can be rewritten from day one. Unless the writers have a plan that no one else can see, the character is a failure and not someone I could see ending up with Gordon.

This coming week they are introducing the character that will become the Joker, so that should be interesting. From the preview, I'm liking where they are going.

Those are just the main characters, as I see them. I will stick with the show, as I am enjoying it so far, and see where it goes.

Bud, I pretty much agree with your analysis. I didn't like Alfred at first, but now I do. Barbara is by far the weakest link. My husband hates the Fish Mooney storyline.

PirateLover;2446887 wrote: Bud, I pretty much agree with your analysis. I didn't like Alfred at first, but now I do. Barbara is by far the weakest link. My husband hates the Fish Mooney storyline.

I hate the Fish Mooney storyline as well... Time to off her...

This past episode introducing Joker, wow, the actor portraying Joker was spot on... His evil smirk, the evil laugh... Perfect...

And on Flash, we now know one of the Reverse Flash identities... Yes, I believe there are more than one... Remember, there is also Professor Zoom.... And GRODD!!! Oh man, Grodd is going to be killer... New episodes March 17th... can't wait...

DizneyFreak2002;2447433 wrote: Oh man, Grodd is going to be killer...

Purposeful pun there DF2K2????

I forgot about running down The Flash.

Barry Allen/The Flash -- Didn't care for him as he was rolled out on Arrow, but as the show progresses I am really starting to like the actor/character. It is nice that he is slowly learning his capabilities, rather than just "having them."

Caitlyn and Cisco are OK, but does anyone else think that they are a little dumbed down as far as personality goes? Sure, they are borderline geniuses and can whip up gadgets in no time, but they are so "meh" as characters.

Dr. Harrison Wells -- Good casting job putting Tom Cavanaugh in the role. He seems to really get the character. We'll have to see whether the story line works or not. So far, so good.

Det. Joe West -- In my opinion, the best character on the show to this point. Being a surrogate father and mentor to Barry and dealing with knowing about the Flash, yet keeping it all together.

Iris/Eddie -- Yes, I'm putting these two together as I think they could go off show and not hurt anything. Just seems like a forced storyline at this point.

Now, all that said, as a whole, the show works and I will keep watching and enjoying it.

PopPhan;2447698 wrote: Purposeful pun there DF2K2????

I forgot about running down The Flash.

Barry Allen/The Flash -- Didn't care for him as he was rolled out on Arrow, but as the show progresses I am really starting to like the actor/character. It is nice that he is slowly learning his capabilities, rather than just "having them."

Caitlyn and Cisco are OK, but does anyone else think that they are a little dumbed down as far as personality goes? Sure, they are borderline geniuses and can whip up gadgets in no time, but they are so "meh" as characters.

Dr. Harrison Wells -- Good casting job putting Tom Cavanaugh in the role. He seems to really get the character. We'll have to see whether the story line works or not. So far, so good.

Det. Joe West -- In my opinion, the best character on the show to this point. Being a surrogate father and mentor to Barry and dealing with knowing about the Flash, yet keeping it all together.

Iris/Eddie -- Yes, I'm putting these two together as I think they could go off show and not hurt anything. Just seems like a forced storyline at this point.

Now, all that said, as a whole, the show works and I will keep watching and enjoying it.

Grodd, from what I remember, doesn't really kill... he captures humans to turn them into gorillas to serve him... I guess you can say he is killer LOL...

Caitlyn will get interesting... She does become Killer Frost after all... Cisco becomes Vibe down the line.. If they go this route... So their characters will get interesting...

Tom Cavanaugh is my fav on the show, to be honest... I think he plays his character perfectly...

Iris/Eddie is a necessary story arc and characters... I hope by seasons end they do more with them though...

Not sure if you are familiar with the comics and all the characters, but Professor Zoom's true identity is Eobard Thawne... Eddie's last name is Thawne... So either Eddie becomes Professor Zoom in the show, or he is strictly a descendant of Eobard in the show...

I have a feeling by season's end, Iris falls for Barry, and leaves Eddie, causing Eddie to hate Barry and vow to get back at him... Thus, in Season 2 becoming or starting to become Professor Zoom... Just a guess on my part...

DizneyFreak2002;2447433 wrote: I hate the Fish Mooney storyline as well... Time to off her...

This past episode introducing Joker, wow, the actor portraying Joker was spot on... His evil smirk, the evil laugh... Perfect...

And on Flash, we now know one of the Reverse Flash identities... Yes, I believe there are more than one... Remember, there is also Professor Zoom.... And GRODD!!! Oh man, Grodd is going to be killer... New episodes March 17th... can't wait...

First off, yeah, Fish Mooney story arc, imo it distracts from the show each time she is on. This last episode with the eye, pretty freaky, but again, it takes you out of the episode for this distraction, and then you have to get back into it again.

Joker - so was that really the joker? I ocassionally look into Gotham/Flash on other message boards. I'm not familiar at all with the comics and like one of your other posts, these message boards really focus on the comic book world and how its being translated to tv (just reading a lot on the age difference between Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne as being a big inconsistency). But this last episode of Gotham, the red hood gang, the kid at the end of the show picks up the hood. The one thing I've read on the message boards is that the origins of the Joker are never fully explained in the comics, and that it would be blasphemy for Gotham to try and do so. So is it a red-herring, Jerome one week, the mystery kid picking up the hood the next, could either of these be the Joker or has he not been introduced yet?

I am fully enjoying both shows. Flash I don't take quite a seriously, but I am enjoying it. Only regret is that I missed dvring S3 of Arrow as I needed to catch up on seasons 1 & 2 off of Netflix and my "on demand" doesn't have the earlier episodes of S3. Arrow has turned into one of my favorites. I never understood the episode of Flash where Barry went to Starling City to get advice, made sense later, just not at the time.

The Hitchhiking Ghost;2447826 wrote: First off, yeah, Fish Mooney story arc, imo it distracts from the show each time she is on. This last episode with the eye, pretty freaky, but again, it takes you out of the episode for this distraction, and then you have to get back into it again.

Joker - so was that really the joker? I ocassionally look into Gotham/Flash on other message boards. I'm not familiar at all with the comics and like one of your other posts, these message boards really focus on the comic book world and how its being translated to tv (just reading a lot on the age difference between Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne as being a big inconsistency). But this last episode of Gotham, the red hood gang, the kid at the end of the show picks up the hood. The one thing I've read on the message boards is that the origins of the Joker are never fully explained in the comics, and that it would be blasphemy for Gotham to try and do so. So is it a red-herring, Jerome one week, the mystery kid picking up the hood the next, could either of these be the Joker or has he not been introduced yet?

I am fully enjoying both shows. Flash I don't take quite a seriously, but I am enjoying it. Only regret is that I missed dvring S3 of Arrow as I needed to catch up on seasons 1 & 2 off of Netflix and my "on demand" doesn't have the earlier episodes of S3. Arrow has turned into one of my favorites. I never understood the episode of Flash where Barry went to Starling City to get advice, made sense later, just not at the time.

The Fish Mooney nonsense is the only downside so far of this series... As for geeky comic fan sites, eh, I wouldn't put much stock into their opinions... These people take their books way too seriously LOL... They are the same people who want to burn down Disney cause they have Tony Stark sneeze when he didn't in the comics... Yes, they are WAY too passionate...

As for Joker, they advertised the kid as the Joker... And it is true, the Joker never had a true origin story, with several back stories tossed out there...

And The Red Hood, there have been several origins of the Red Hood, with yes one being the start of the Joker... However, Jason Todd, one of the Robin's, also became the Red Hood, and in the New 52 comic series, the Joker has nothing to do with the Red Hood... So it will be interesting to see how they go...

Jada Pinkett Smith not coming back for Season 2... Guess that means the end of Fish Mooney some time during these last 5 episodes of Season 1...

The Flash returns next week... Going to be a fun ride right to the end of the first season...

OK, who caught the season finales for Arrow, Gotham and The Flash?

SPOILER ALERTS:

We got to see Caitlin Snow as Killer Frost, the Flash Museum, and Jay Garrick's Flash helmet... Also, Reverse Flash/Eobard Thawne/Harrison Wells mentioned Rip Hunter... Rip Hunter is a time traveler from the future and will be featured in the upcoming show Legends of Tomorrow...

Fish Mooney falls into the river/bay... Cheap way out of her character... But, that also leaves it open for her to come back... Smith isn't coming back for Season 2, or at least she says she isn't... By doing what they did, they leave it open for her return or for the viewer to say OH SHE DIED...

And last but not least, Arrow: Thea Queen finally becomes Speedy... Season 3 big bad guy will be Damien Darhk... I just wonder if Diggle gets a disguise now, and what events lead Oliver to come back as Arrow?

On a side note, got to meet a few people from these shows last week: Danielle Panabaker who plays Caitlin Snow on Flash, Willa Holland who plays Thea Queen on Arrow, and Manu Bennett who plays Deathstroke/Slade Wilson on Arrow... All three are very nice people and extremely down to earth... Popularity, and their riches, have not gone to their heads... Especially Danielle Panabaker, such a sweetheart... And Manu Bennett, dude enjoys talking to and hanging with fans...

Wasn't planning on rewatching it, but was folding some laundry upstairs while the kids were busy, turned on the tv, and there was the pilot for Flash, so watched it again. I caught a scene I missed or didn't remember from the first go round, as Wells leads Barry through what's left of STAR Labs particle accelerator, Barry walks by a busted open cage that says "Grod". Not being familiar with the comics, I wouldn't have meant anything at the time, but knowing now it was a good piece of foreshadowing.

Thoroughly enjoyed the the finales (and the seasons for that matter) of both Gotham and Flash. Have to wait for Arrow to hit Netflix or Amazon Prime to watch season 3. Sounds like a lot happens in S3, so looking forward to seeing it.

The Hitchhiking Ghost;2458242 wrote: Wasn't planning on rewatching it, but was folding some laundry upstairs while the kids were busy, turned on the tv, and there was the pilot for Flash, so watched it again. I caught a scene I missed or didn't remember from the first go round, as Wells leads Barry through what's left of STAR Labs particle accelerator, Barry walks by a busted open cage that says "Grod". Not being familiar with the comics, I wouldn't have meant anything at the time, but knowing now it was a good piece of foreshadowing.

Thoroughly enjoyed the the finales (and the seasons for that matter) of both Gotham and Flash. Have to wait for Arrow to hit Netflix or Amazon Prime to watch season 3. Sounds like a lot happens in S3, so looking forward to seeing it.

I believe CW is replaying Season 3 of Arrow beginning tonight...